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His records are on here.

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline

Registers of Seamen's Services


£3.50p to download.

Name Felton, Thomas Harold
Official Number: 231941
Place of Birth: Liverpool, Lancashire
11 August 1888

Hi,
Got this one, Info states
DOB 11th Aug 1888 Liverpool Lancs
Occupation ? Van Boy
Date & Period of Engagement into Navy 11/08/1906 for 12 years.
Age is 'TE' ?
Height 5'2 7/8" which is about same as my Dad,
Fair hair,
grey eyes,
Fresh complexion.
Scar... removal 3rd toe of left foot...(my Dad had overlapping toes & so does my eldest son...it was advised to have my sons amputated but we decided against and he is fine...so could be same thing)
Ships listed... Emerald as Boy 2nd class,
but i am a bit confused as the serving dates are 4th Aug 04 to 11 March 05 earlier than the sign up date 11th Aug 1906??.
He was of Very good character & was invalided due to what looks like disease of Ear.

I have started to look for the Emerald ship but only seem to come up with one way after my dates in 1920 and the earlier ones seem to have been scrapped or American ones. so will keep looking...I guess the next step is to order the birth certificate of Thomas Harold Felton from 1888 to see if he has the same DOB and whom his parents were...or do you think what we have discovered is enough to prove we are decendants of this man.??

I guess the next step is to order the birth certificate of Thomas Harold Felton from 1888 to see if he has the same DOB and whom his parents were...or do you think what we have discovered is enough to prove we are decendants of this man.??


Eeeek.
I dont know what to answer here.

I think this is the right man as there really are no others in the running as it was a rather uncommon name (thank Evans)

But it is up to you if you order the birth or not.

But I really do think that you are desended from this man.

The description of him alone is surely a big lean that way.

On the Naval/sailor records I am no good as know little on them except to search where I did to find that one and download them

My Great grandfather was in the Navy so I learnt that, back when, searching for that" underhand lying toerag" that said he was single so he didnt have to send money home to his WIFE and CHILDREN.
And changed his first name and date of birth to join up when his parents died and he was faced with the workhouse along with his younger sister who did have to go into it.
Dont know where the other surviving older sibling of theirs went to in 1881,never found him yet on it.

Hello

Yes i think i will order it, just for final clarification ;-)

Oh dear your great grandfather sounds a bit like my ex, even those three lettered authorities can't get him to cough up...may be this is why my Gran married another man..perhaps the real father never paid her anything to help keep my Dad...maybe this is why his name was never passed to my Dad and why without your help we may never have found him....men eh.

I think i would like also now to trace if my new found Grandad had children with his new wife Honoria as they could still be living and be my 50% Aunts & Uncles...wonder if they knew about my Dad...mmmm guess we can't go any further on this one as they only married in 1911 so we wouldn't have any way of checking till the next census or two gets released and by then they prob will all have passed on.... Blasted red tape....

I have written again to the two people on this site that seem to have the same relative of Honoria but so far alass no replies ;-( i can only wait Boo.Hoo.

Hi Angela.
Been away for a few days to see family.

There is this birth on FREEBMD which may well be a child of Honoria and Thomas Felton.

Births Mar 1912
Felton Florence G V Gardner W.Derby 8b 558


And a marriage

Marriages Jun 1937
Felton Florence G V Gerrard Liverpool N. 8b 846
GERRARD William Felton Liverpool N. 8b 846


And a birth which you can look up ,I wont place on here as she may still be alive but her name is Honoria and she was born just after the 1937 marriage..

Then Honoria marries in 1960 in the reg district of Bootle and there are at least 2 children born after 1960 to that marriage in Lancashire.

Those births and the marriage are on Ancestry.

So you can try an electoral roll lookup for them if you wanted as they do have a less common name.
One of them plus Honoria are on the 2002 ER,but I dont have access to later ones,but I know a woman who does.

Wow, i will look all this up when i get my head around it, sorry i also been busy with Mums b'day and news of another grandchild on the way ;-)
But i have now got the marriage certificate of Thomas Harold Felton (Grandad) & Honoria Gardiner Jan 1911.

Thomas Father was William James Felton-Pilot, &
Honoria Father was Thomas Gardiner Railway Pointsman

They lived at 11 Cavendish Road Walton.

Witness was Rosanna Broadfoot (Honorias sister) & William Broadfoot (BIL)

I also had a reply from Brian on the GRU site whom said Honorias & Thomas children were called Adelaide, Thomas H & William, which doesn't quite match with Florence but i think he said it was 1912 as well...i will have to check these also as not had time yet.....Brian did state that he was actually tracing the Gardiner family so didn't have a lot of info, but he did give same details as the marriage certificate that i sent of for.

This is all so exciting and we still cant believe you managed to find our Dad :-)

Angela

Hello FannyByGaslight

Well as you have been right all along i took other info as second,
So, so far we have
Thomas Harold Felton 1888 unmarried child with Florence being
Thomas Harold Felton 1909 (my Dad)

Then Thomas Harold Felton 1888 married to Honoria Gardiner
Thomas & Honoria's Children
Florence G.V. 1912
Adelaide 1913
Thomas H 1916
William F 1918
John 1920
George 1923
Ernest 1928

Then Thomas 1888 daughter Florence GV 1912 (poss named after his first love ;-)...) married William Gerrard
who had a child called Honoria T Gerrard 1938

Honoria T Gerrard Married in 1960 ???would the Surname have a sleep item in it ??

This has taken me ages to get my head around all this, plus been trying to locate Thomas Harold 1888 father William James & Mother Mary Wynne or Hynne (looks like) of 47 Rossett Street Walton....How do i confirm this is William James Felton's parents ??

I have another birth certificate that i thought might be connected ...it states....

Birth 10/4/1857 William James Felton....parents listed as
James Felton (A printer cant read rest) & Mary Felton (Formerly Brewer) of looks like 15 Plane Street West Derby...but when i looked this couple up i could not see a son called William...yet i have the birth certificate.......help please if you have time.

A million thanks

Angela

Lets start with the 1960 marriage of Honoria.
I will send that by PM,(private message)and any children I can find.
Done that..

To bring it to the front.
1891 census of William James Felton.

FELTON, William F Head Married M 33 1858 Liverpool Pilot
Liverpool
FELTON, Mary Wife Married F 29 1862
Liverpool
FELTON, William J Son Single M 9 1882
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Stephen F Son Single M 7 1884
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Charles E Son Single M 6 1885
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Mary J Daughter Single F 4 1887
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Thomas H Son Single M 2 1889
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Walter H Son Single M 1 1890
Liverpool
Lancashire
PARKINS, Charles Brother In Law Married M 35 1856 General Labourer
Liverpool
Lancashire
PARKINS, Annie M Sister In Law Married F 22 1869
Liverpool
Lancashire

1881
FELTON, Willm J Head Married M 23 1858 Pilot
Lpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Mary Wife Married F 20 1861
Lpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Marion H Daughter Single F 3 1878
Lpool
Lancashire
FELTON, Elizth Daughter Single F 1 1880
Lpool
Lancashire

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Everton Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Everton Municipal Borough:
Address:
44, Hunt St, Everton County:
Lancashire

The reason for the children on 1881 not being on 1891 sadly

Deaths Jun 1881
FELTON Elizabeth 1 W. Derby 8b 254
Deaths Sep 1881
Felton Marian Hunt 3 W. Derby 8b 355

Phew, it was nothing to do with beds...i had tried Ancestry and kept coming up with nothing, but i tried again as last resort and have found its more to do with apples or wow....lol so i have found the two children so that bits done i will see if i can find a way to contact them.??

xx

Go here

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1231191

Send Tracey a PM with the details ,please dont post them on her thread,and she will send you back Honorias address to write to(I dont have access,but can see her on it)

Marriages Dec 1877
Felton William James W. Derby 8b 622
Wynn Mary W. Derby 8b 622

Do you have this marriage Angela?

Think this is him in 1871

FELTON, Willm Jas Inmate M 13 1858 Lancashire(Liverpool)

Its a boys school

Address: Blue Coat School, School Lane, Liverpool

The others on offer do not match all of his details from other census ,but this one fits everything.

Yayyyyy,got him on 1861to match your birth cert details...
Mistranscribed,but Felton on image if you know what it SHOULD be..AND living at PLAN STREET?

FELSTON, James Head Married M 45 1816 Printer
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELSTON, Mary Wife Married F 44 1817
Kirkham
Lancashire
FELSTON, Thomas Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Brokers Clerk
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELSTON, Edward Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Joiner
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELSTON, Charles Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Office Boy
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELSTON, Elizabeth Emma Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
FELSTON, William James Son M 4 1857 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
6 West Derby Enumeration District:
2F Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
West Derby Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
15, Plan Street, West Derby, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

1851

FELTON, James Head Married M 35 1816 Printer
Liverpool
FELTON, Mary Wife Married F 34 1817
Kirkdale
Lancashire
FELTON, Thomas Son M 8 1843
Liverpool
FELTON, Edward Son M 5 1846
Liverpool
FELTON, Charles Son M 2 1849
Liverpool
FELTON, Elizabeth E A Daughter F 0 (2 MOS) 1851
Everton
MORGAN, Ann Servant Unmarried F 14 1837 Servant
Manchester

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Everton Enumeration District:
1N Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Everton Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
Netherfield Road North, Everton, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Marriages Mar 1838
Brewer Mary Liverpool 20 175
Felton James Liverpool 20 175

I can find a lot of the children on 1871,spread about,but not James Felton c1816

Wonder if this is him?
Deaths Mar 1864
Felton James W Derby 8b 499

1871
A widow and working as a Confectioner..
FELTON, Mary Head F 54 1817 Lancashire
FELTON, Elizth Emma Daughter F 20 1851 Lancashire

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Everton Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Everton Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
Haigh Street, Everton, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Might as well have all the census.

1841

FELTON, James M 25 1816 Lancashire
FELTON, Mary F 20 1821 Lancashire
FELTON, Edward M 1 (14 months) 1840 Lancashire
BREWER, William M 30 1811 Lancashire

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
Dale Street Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
Ray Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

From...http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Marriage: 24 Jan 1838 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Felton - Full Printer Bachelor of Clayton St
Mary Brewer - Full Spinster of Rose Hill
Groom's Father: Edward Felton, Parish Constable
Bride's Father: George Brewer, Gentleman
Witness: William Brewer; Isabella Brewer
Married by Banns by: Oliver Ormerod A. M. Curate
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1838, Page 221, Entry 441
Source: LDS Film 93843

Ooooo.Get that..Mary Brewers father is a Gentleman!Of independant means then....
And James,s is a copper !

From......beta.familysearch.org

Groom's Name William James Felton
Groom's Birth Date 1856
Groom's Age 21
Bride's Name Mary Wynn
Bride's Birth Date 1861
Bride's Age 16
Marriage Date 16 Dec 1877
Marriage Place St. Mary'S, Kirkdale, Lancaster, England
Groom's Father's Name James Felton
Bride's Father's Name James Wynn
Groom's Marital Status Single
Bride's Marital Status Single


Next????

Polishes me Halo ready..:)

Fan bloody tastic....I got the birth cert of William James 10/04/1857 of 15 Plan Street, with James & Mary (Brewer) so my compositors is confectioner ha ha but just could not get a link through the census to match them through the line ...never thought they could have spelt name differently or by error...you are so very good at all this...your Halo is very well deserved and is dazlingly bright. xx
I am just going to follow the link and write to Tracy....i will update you on whatever outcome. Are you located in England??
Thank you again,
Have a good weekend
xxx

Wales ,I am in Wales.
England is next door though.!.

Good luck with contacting rellies and fingers xsd for a good result

Fan..

PS.
If that "compositor" is next to Printer on fathers occupation then that would be the right word.
Type setter, is the other way of saying it I think?.
I think Mary only became a confectioner after widowhood as she has no occupation listed before.

Hello Fan,

Wales...I have friend in Carmarthen, i spent the weekend with them in 2006 i think it was, it was July and freezing we spent the day at a superb beach in coats but friends son did go in the sea despite being told not too...think he was showing off a bit...kids eh....but we had a great time and i loved the area so peacefull in the village Alltwallis.

Any way news bits....
Tracey was most helpful...

I will email you

xx

Thank you for your PM Angela.
I am pleased to know that I did at least get the right family for you and that some are in contact with you,and photos too,wonderful....

Alltwallis,I know it well,go through it to get to Carmarthen I do.
Not much there at all,so as you say,very quiet.