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Thanks Christine

I think I have confused everyone today!

Just adding that the 2 deaths found do show up on Free BMD.

Deaths Mar 1843 (>99%)

FAULKNER George Reading 6 177


Deaths Mar 1846 (>99%)
Faulkner George Reading 6 159


Perhaps you didn't look after 1842 as you thought the 2nd marriage was 1842.

Christine

Your welcome christine,Don,t worry about the date you gave being wrong. We all make mistakes.
That to me just made it a good mystery to solve.

richard

Artbeat, I think you have found me 2 possible death dates for George Faulkner - why did these not show up on FreeBMD? Thank you so much - I won't feel so bad sending for 2 certs when they are such strong possibles!

And .........you are absolutely right. The marriage date for George Cole and Mary Ann IS 1852, which is what I have entered on BMDshare.com**. I apologise for misleading everyone on that date. I was looking at the cert itself, where the date is written oddly (very slopy writing), and it does look like 4 - some time since I have looked at it.

My heartfelt thanks to all of you who have taken so much interest!

** Not a scanned copy, but well worth anyone having a look at this site. If we all enter all our certs on here, the site will get better and better.

There are these 2 deaths for a george faulkner in reading.


Name: George Faulkner
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Reading (1837-1974)
County: Berkshire
Volume: 6
Page: 177

Name: George Faulkner
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Reading (1837-1974)
County: Berkshire
Volume: 6
Page: 159



richard

here is mary jane ann,s birth.

Births Dec 1843 (>99%)
Faulkner Mary Jane Ann Reading 6 235

possible death as she does not appear in 1851.

Name: Mary Jane Ann Faulkner
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Reading (1837-1974)
County: Berkshire
Volume: 6
Page: 170

I don,t use bmdshare, is it a scanned copy of the cert??.

I cannot find the marriage in 1842.

There is this in 1852.

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
BULL Emma Newington 1d 297
>>>>Cole George Thomas Newington 1d 297
>>>>>Faulkner Mary Ann Newington 1d 297
FLACK Sarah Newington 1d 297
SIMKINS John Newington 1d 297

richard

The date of Oct 1843 against Mary Jane Ann is her baptism date. It might be worth sending for the film of the baptisms to view at your local Mormon Church. The original may well contain a note of the date of birth. They don't always show dob but some do.

She could have been any age at baptism so it really is only an indication that she was born sometime before 20 Oct 1843.

Jill

Sorry, I have to leave this for now - I really appreciate everyone's help - will be back later!

That's defintely the right people in 1851 - George Cole was born in Devizes in 1825. The age of 8 for Mary Ann Jnr ties up with a birth date of 1843, but her mother definitely married George Cole in 1842!

I'm getting more confused by the minute! If Mary Jane Ann Faulkner was born in Oct 1843, this is a full year after her marriage to George Cole! The marriage cert for that, by the way, is on BMDshare.com.

If that is the correct family then i am becoming confused with the marriage date.

1851

Name: Mary A Faulkner
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Reading

Civil parish: Reading St Mary
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1m
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A Faulkner 29
Maria S Faulkner 8
George J Cole 27 devizes


richard

Artbeat, is Case a mistranscription? I've just looked at the 1861, but it's at the bottom of the page and there's only Frederick G below George and Mary Ann - can't look at the next page on here, so not sure if I'm looking at the right one. - is ot 13 Crown St Reading? If its showing Mary Faulkner daughter-in-law, this must surely mean step-daughter?

if above is correct then this is odd.


MARY JANE ANN FAULKNER Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
20 OCT 1843 Saint Mary, Reading, Berkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: GEORGE FAULKNER Family
Mother: MARY ANN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


richard

Is this mary in 1861???

Name: Mary A Case
[Mary A Cole]
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George J
Gender: Female
Where born: Reading, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Reading St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: Reading
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 4e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
George J Case 36 devizes
Mary A Case 37
Fred G Case 18
Emily Case 5
Julia Case 3
Ellen Case 1
Maria J Faulkner 18>>>daughter in law

MARIA SUSANNAH FAULKNER Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
14 SEP 1842 Saint Mary, Reading, Berkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: GEORGE FAULKNER Family
Mother: MARY ANN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

richard

Thanks Kay, that clears up the quarters question for me. Mrs Grumpy, the 1841 shows him as a carpenter, so that's quite true, he could have been away from home.

I feel a bit reluctant to send for too many certs for George Faulkner, as he wasn't my ancestor - I was really trying to fill in Mary Ann's background - I have found very little about her or who her mother was, but I think I'll have to bite the bullet - this will nag at me now!

Well, he could have died anywhere really ...

What was his occupation? Maybe he travelled as part of his job. Maybe he was away looking for work and met with an accident?

Jill

GRO quarters only mean the quarter they were entered up in to GROindexes,the event may have taken place just before,

a marriage on the last day of March will go in the next quarter of.

A/M/June.it depended when the local register returns were sent in,

Sorry, Nickydown south - I'm having all sorts of problems today - I suppose he could have been the Epsom death, although there don't seem to have been any other connections with that area.

By 1841, Thomas Ewell Lott had married George Cole' s mother, Dinah and they lived in Devizes. At the time of the Mary Ann/ George marriage, they were both living in Reading and continued to do so afterwards, although the marriage actually took place in Newington, London (Surrey).

A marriage is registered in the qtr it took place...unlike births that can be registered up to 6 weeks after the event, so the freeBMD entry matches the IGI entry Richard gave you of the marriage taking place on 24th May.......2 weeks before the 1841 census was taken,


Nicky