Genealogy Chat

Hi Christine,
thank you so much for your time and effort, I must learn to dig a bit deeper. I think you are so right and I must accept that Abraham is incorrect on the marriage cert, which means that there are a number of contacts who have Mary Auckland etc on their tree with Abel as her father, which will give me access to more ancestors. I guess the GR member who has her father as Abel and married her to "our" James was more right than we knew!!!!
Once again many thanks for all your help.. Margarert

It's looking more likely that the names were mixed up and Abel was her father as I have found this regarding the witness Sarah Pease.



SARAH AUCKLAND Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
25 MAR 1815 Knottingley, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ABEL AUCKLAND Family
Mother: SARAH



SARAH AUCKLAND Pedigree
Female Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: WILLIAM PEASE Family
Marriage:
09 AUG 1836 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England


So it looks as if Sarah Pease was her sister.

Christine

Hi thanks to you all, I am beginning to have the same feeling that Abraham and Abel are one and the same.
Christine thanks for all your hard work, I would not have made the connection between Thomas and the possible grandaughter. The witnesses on the marriage cert are :
the mark of Sarah Pease and a Joseph Waterton so I don't think there is much help there.
I think I must accept that the name on the marriage cert is incorrect, which has really thrown me as I thought that was "proof" and it obviously is not.
Again many thanksfor all your time and trouble....... do you reckon that it is best to leave it there???

Mary aged 8 in 1841 could be their grandaughter.

MARY AUCKLAND Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
28 AUG 1833 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS AUCKLAND Family
Mother: ANN



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THOMAS AUCKLAND Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
02 FEB 1810
Christening:
12 SEP 1810 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ABEL AUCKLAND Family
Mother: SARAH


Christine

Regarding the 1841 census and abel appearing to have a daughter Mary aged 8, no relationships were given on the 1841 so possible that she isn't his daughter.

For ref.

1841 England Census
about Abel Auckland
Name: Abel Auckland
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Pontefract
Hundred: Osgoldcross (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Pontefract
Sub-registration district: Pontefract
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Abel Auckland 55 potter
Sarah Auckland 54
Samuel Auckland 20
Ann Auckland 20
George Auckland 15
Elizh Auckland 15
Mary Auckland 8
Sarah Auckland 11 Mo

Do the names of the witnesses on the marriage cert give any clues?

Christine

I like Gwyn's suggestion.
Joan

I wonder if Abraham and Abel are one and the same person, - and known as 'Abe', but the vicar decided his 'correct' full name should be used in the register, so presumed..........

Gwyn

Hi Christine,
I have the marriage cert for James Higgins and Mary Auckland in 1839 and it lists her father as Abraham Auckland, occupation Potter, but so far I cannot find anything for Abraham.
I have found a baptism for Mary Auckland December 1821 with father named as Abel Auckland occupation Potter and her mother as Sarah.
I have found a baptism for Abel Auckland 1783 but nothing comes up for Abraham.
But more confusing is that on the 1841 census Abel Auckland - Potter has a daughter Mary aged 8!!!!!! and again nothing comes up for Abraham.So I am totally confused and a bit lost where to look now.

Do you actually have the marriage cert or are you just going by the IGI entry.?

The other marriage to William Blackburn is in 1834 so no cert will be available.

I have looked up the families on the census and I think your Mary was born c1820 and the other one c1818.


Christine

Hi ChristineinPortugal,
the name is Mary Auckland and like you I can only find an Abel Auckland, there is an IGI entry for Mary Auckland and James Higgins marriage,in Pontefract Yorkshsire, that is our relative, but it gives the name of Abraham as her father.
One contact I have had says there is also a marriage for a Mary Auckland to a William Blackburn but it does not say who her father was..... I don;t know what to think as I don;t want to get onthe wrong track. But I am beginning to wander if the registrar got the wrong name!!!

Where was your relative born and what was her name?

There are a few Abel Auckland's on IGI but no Abraham Auckland.

Have you tried to find her baptism?

Christine

Hi Christineinportugal,
I cannot find my relative under her maiden name on the census as she was married in 1839 so by the time of the 1841census she is listed in her married name.
I know that there are two women with the same names born in the same year and somehow I believe that the wires have got crossed, on the marriage cert I have her father is listed as Abraham but my contact gives her fathers name as Abel but has married her to my relative!
I am going to try to find an Abel and Abraham and see if they are related in any way.

Have you found your relative on the census before her marriage?

Are they definitely 2 different people in the same area?

Christine

Thank you all for your replies, I must say I was hoping you would say that certs were ALWAYS correct.... some hope !!!!!!
SylviaInCanada I like your idea which I am going to look into and Satnav, yes as a last resort I may well need to purchase the certficate with Abel Auckland as the father....... I guess that so long as I am on the right path with out relatives then its ok. I think I am just a bit peeved that the contact has made an assumption and married her relative to ours without checking it through.
Once again thanks very much for your time M

Hi Wellybobs
I have had exactly the same experience,the fathers name on my ancestors birth certificate was different than on his marriage certificate but i know that both were the correct certificates.
I have just read recently in a family history magazine that it was often down to the registrars error,

Norma

and don't forget


..... many illegitimate children put fathers' name on their marriage certificate because "it looked better for the in-laws"


only they used made-up names, names of relatives (eg, grandfather), of notable people in town, etc etc



many many people have gone on wild goose chases as a result.



First thing you could do is check whether there actualy are Abel Auckland and Abraham Auckland, and if so, how they are related.






sylvia

The only way to prove anything is with documentation otherwise it is pure supposition and speculation. As long as you are sure that you have the right marriage then you have the proof.

However, having said that sometimes the wrong fathers name is put on certificates as the record is dependant on the information given by the bride and groom. I have several certificates with the wrong father I have one James Hilton who gives his father as Henry Swift and some who give their stepfathers as fathers so as to keep the peace.

Hi, does anyone have experience of the name of the father on a marriage cert being incorrect. We have a marriage cert for a relative with the name Abraham Auckland as the fathers name, but we have been in contact with a GR member who has a relative of the same name, the same birth year (both check out) with a father as Abel Auckland. She has now married her to our relative!!! I have suggested she obtain a marriage cert to check this out but so far no luck, she still has our relative as her relatives husband.......!!