Genealogy Chat

Arthur - On Ancestry (depending on the membership)- you can see the actual entries for Weddings - so you don't need to buy Certs from the record office.

They also have copies of the parish records for a lot of the London parishes - so you get to see the actual entries.

There are a lot of interesting things on Ancestry now.

Sue - i too have that access and find it a boon & saves so much money.

I hope your MIL is on the mend - My FIL had to give up driving 5 years ago now & he still isn't happy about it - but did see the sense - he was a danger on the roads & said the other day - there is no way he could drive now

My MIL said she still wanted to keep the car in the garage just to use for shopping - so we were all confused - she said well he can't do the driving anymore - but just a quick trip to the supermarket is different - so he can do that. Well we were all astonished

My OH (who is a driving Instructor) spent ages explaining the difference to her and why he can't just do the quick trip to the shops.

She still isn't happy about it & he just sits in his chair looking out over the estuary most days now. We sold the car very quickly & my OH took his licence & posted it off for him.

Well it was only a quick visit & ended up a bit of a chat.

Take care all <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Susan

Hope your MIL is making good progress. A fall like she had would cause problems for most people a lot younger than her.

In your last post you said "The certs to start are the way to go ,now with Ancestry I have a good membership so I can get a lot of the London BDM's in cert form ...that help too."

Am I being thick as I do not know what you mean.

I had meant to add the cofused symbol but do not know how to add from Emoticons.

Arthur



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Hi Everyone

Anne I too have had a run in with someone on here for the same reason.

I actually sent this person certs to prove she was wrong but still today she has not changed her tree.
She has over 20,000 people in her tree and I would say a quarter of it would be wrong

Another person in Wales was the same ,I don't know why they would want wrong tree information anyway.

I was very careful to start my tree off correct and I have a very large family that still remembers the relies so I had a good start.
The certs to start are the way to go ,now with Ancestry I have a good membership so I can get a lot of the London BDM's in cert form ...that help too.

Very hot today 40c looks like 41c for tomorrow and the same up until monday,then we just don't know.
Looks like Salads for the rest of the week and over the weekend.

Dinners on so have to get off for a while ,going to do some of my tree tonight.

Suex
:-D <3

Afternoon all

Sorry to hear you are sad Sue - but I know what you mean - yesterday would have been my mums 90th birthday - so that was bit sad too.

Slyvia - i think that sums up the Census queries very precise

I do agree that the "Leaf" on Ancestry can be a mixed blessing - I always check mine very carefully - the amount of time i have had the wrong things.

I too have a private tree as hate it when people copy your tree and add it to theirs.

I think one of the funniest things i had was when I matched my Grandfather to another tree - its always interesting to see if its part of the family.

A little background info - he had two children & I am the only grandchild - he only had the one marriage and that was for around 30 years - he didn't play around as I would have heard & he died quite young. He lived in & around Brighton.

I contacted the person on Ancestry - who indeed had my Gradfather on her tree - but married to someone different & with 2 wives and a large family - same DOB & parents & sisters. Well i was in shock - she told me i was the one who had the wrong info - as she had copied a tree off ancestry & that had to be correct. No she had not checked any records or purchased any certs - And it went back 3 more generations on this line, more than she had on the rest of the tree.

So i did a little digging - i found her grandfather - he did have the same name as mine & lived in Brighton - but born two years earlier - different parents - 7 brothers & sisters and yes he did marry twice. he also moved around the country a bit more and lived to quite an old age.

So armed with various BMD references - and screen prints - i sent her a message - with all the proof - she threw an absolute fit - said I had all the wrong info & that he belonged to my tree not hers as she had everything right as her tree went back 5 generations on that side of the family using that info & she wasn't going to delete it now as it made a mess of her tree and meant she only had 4 generations instead of 7.

So I decided to upset her even more by telling her if she had the right tree it actually went back 8 more generations plus more on the wider branches. She demanded I send her my tree info so she could add it to hers. - i didn't actually reply to that one.

Inbetween times - my cousin had also found her & the tree - he also told her (possibly a bit more forcefully than i did) that she had the wrong family - In the end with both of us at her - she removed my grandfather & family.

That was after my cousin put her in touch with another family member from her branch of the family - who managed to get her to remove the wrong person & gave her a copy of the right tree.


I give up sometimes - all people want is to have large amounts of people on the tree for nothng - they don't want to do the actual work.

Well thats quite enough of me & the soapbox

Anyone see Call the Midwife Sunday night - I thought it was really good - different to the first week - but still good.

Well better go back to work

Take care all ;-) ;-) ;-) <3 <3 <3

Hi Everyone

Reece it is nice to see you back with us again.

We have had a bit of a fall for the MIL,she is 92 and taking her little dog for a walk......... the dogs leed tripped her up and she ended up on the road ,she is a bit battered and bruised but will be ok.

I checked on her again to today,more bruises are coming out everyday,on top of that her doc has told her that her eyes are not good enough to drive anymore so she is back at the optometrist tomorrow to see if he can help her out with stronger glasses.
Personally I don't think she should drive anymore but I can't say that to her of course.

Sylvia very glad for you that it is warming up over there,talking to my Uncle on the uk last night he has a terrible cold ,says it is wet windy and miserable.

Anniversary today of my Aunty Pats passing so a sad day for me today,loved her very much .
It does not seem it was 12 mths ago I was in the uk for the funeral the time has gone so fast.

Very hot today and worse to come as the week goes on ,40c for Thursdayand Friday so guess where I will be.

Funny but I am doing Roast leg of Lamb tonight only chanse as the rest of the week will be out of the question to turn on the oven.

Back to the Kitchen .

Love to you all .

Suex :-(

Hi everyone


snow all gone here. Temperature has warmed up. So, pouring with rain


Hi Old,

to take your last posting first .................... enumerators on the 1841 were supposed to round down the ages of all people over 15 to the nearest 5


........... so someone showing as age 50 on there, would actually be between 50 and 54. Thus, if Sarah had said she was 52, the enumerator would round it down to 50 ............. and it all fits in with later censuses.


Not all enumerators did the rounding down (of course!!) ............. if their age ends as 5 or 0, then it probably has been rounded down. If it ends in any other number, then it has not been rounded.


Second, the age on a census can differ by as much as 2 years from the age on the next census. It all depends on the date when the census was taken vs the birth date of the person. The person was asked how they were on (say) March 30 ........................ their birthday might be on March 31, so they were already seeming to be one year out.




As for your first posting ........................ Yes, people really are that stupid


............ and ancestry encourages that stupidity by all the little leafs indicating hints and possible matches.


Far too many people really do not check details ............ and they are very liable to see that "leaf", and think this MUST be mine.


My great aunt and her husband were both born around 1875 in Lancashire, married in 1902, and left 2 days later for the US. They lived in Newark, New Jersey until they died in the '40s and '50s.

I got a "leaf" that directed me to another tree .......................... he had MY great aunt and husband on there, taken from my tree ................... as parents of children born around 1805 :-0


It turned out that the parents of those children did have exactly the same names as my relations, were also born in Lancashire, and also emigrated to Newark, New Jersey, where they lived and had their children ............ but 100 years earlier


Fortunately, the tree owner was very good ...... I sent a message to him through ancestry, and also posted a message on his tree. He removed my relations within a couple of days. I never got a message from him though!



I made my tree a Private one after that ..................... people will get a match with one name in it, but then they have to contact me to get any further information.



s
xxx

Further to my last post I have another puzzle.

The 1841 Census shows the Bonney family as
Beney - although this has been amended to Bonney as a transcription error. All the children are there and the age of Sarah is 50 - this 'confirms' her birth date as 1790 NOT 1799.
However on the 1851 and 1861 Censuses, there is a 10 year difference in the age she would be if born in 1790 - i.e. 52 on the 1851 not 60 and 62 not 70 on the 1861 Census.

Would like to know what you think please.

Sun is shining and I must get out into the garden - plants need to be in the ground and not in pots!

Have not been able to do much FH lately, but yesterday took a look on Ancestry to see what others were doing on the extended branches of my tree.

Some curious facts emerged:

1. The same tree owner of 2 different trees appears to have hedged his bets on the birth date for a Sarah Hayward, even though one date meant that she married William Pardoe Bonney at age 14!!!
2. Many other trees also had the birth date as 1799 not 1790.
3. If people had looked for a marriage on Family Search for William Pardoe Bonney they would have found a marriage in 1813 to Sarah Hayward. Checking Family Search for the birth date and parents of Sarah Hayward gives a birth near to Sudbury, Suffolk in 1790 - Sarah would then have been 23 when she married.
4. One tree has her marrying William Bonney who dates are given as (1785-1786) with a child born 1814 ?!?

Are people really this stupid when completing their trees? Why do they bother?

They would benefit from buying Roots Magic as it would point out these glaring errors - thnaks Tabitha for the info on this programme.

hello thankyou ann

i will certainly look in to it :-D

in the meantime i am working hard on my tree as the old versetin is back and my screen reader works with it

sally w

Cynthia - thank you - I know what you mean - but it still happens

Look on the internet - there is a Rootsmagic site and they give you a good run down of all the high points of the new Version 5

I think there are some comparison sites as well Sue if you wan to compare FTM & RM

I never had any problems with the NEW TREE either - I quite liked it - the odd thing missing - mainly it was ok and I di quite like it

Well OH will be abck soon & expect me to be ready to go shopping

Will pop back later if I can

take care :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) <3

Sorry to hear you haven't been well Reece..........I know the smell of paint can affect a lot of people.


I love the new Sherlock and think they have done a good job in modernising it........quirky but understandable. Even my son is enjoying it - and we don't often watch the same kind of programme!!!!


What makes me smile is the fact that someone, in the previous episode, muttered something about Sherlock having Asperger's! That is SO true.......every portrayal of Sherlock Holmes shows that Conan Doyle wrote of someone suffering with that condition - even though he didn't realise it! The condition wasn't really recognised until the 1940's so before that, sufferers were just thought to be 'eccentric' or 'odd' - Einstein for instance......


The way Sherlock reacted when given the presentations, is exactly the same way my daughter reacts when she is given a gift at Christmas.



Rootsmagic sounds interesting..........I've never heard of it though. May take a looksee although I do use FTM.


Staying awake and worrying won't solve your probs Anne.......you need your sleep to help you cope......but I've been there and know how you feel.


I would love an ipad too.....my grandchildren have them and they are fantastic. Wonder what the next innovation will be?



It seems as though Genes have taken down the new tree because so many members were having problems and they are working on it over the weekend. So the old tree is back in the meantime.


I must be one of the lucky ones because I have had very little trouble with the new one - and most of the hiccups I've encountered were my own fault........hadn't stopped and thought things through enough... :-S


Well, can't stop here nattering all day....must get something done.....deep joy.


Love to all. Cx. <3

Morning all dark & dingy here today

Reece nice to see you back - sorry you have had some more ill health - my wishes for a speedy recovery & better health as the weather improves and spring is on the way - time seems to fly theses days

No overtime - so not sleeping well as worring over the potential bills :-(
I know it wont do any good but my mind goes round & round anyway

Monday would have been my mums 90th birthday - so my thoughts are there as well - its 20 years this year since I lost her - seems like yesterday really - had a little snivell or two

Its a big year this year - my FIL is 90 in May - MIL 88 in May - OH 60 in Sept - he said he is is going to be 59+1 from Sept on - & + an extra year from then on - OH & I will have been together 20 years in April.

Sally - surprised you can't go back to the old Tree - what a lovely idea for a birthday present - you get to spend time together and get the tree sorted

ROOTSMAGIC is a stand alone programme like FTM - you can buy the discs or download it - I think its the same price either way - but I still prefer to get discs in the post as I always have something in my hand - still don't trust downloads - since we had a computer crash & they wiped our hard drive.

ROOTSMAGIC 5 is the new one - you can get loads of extra discs with info on if you go forthe Platinum set - we have Rm3 - and that is fine for us - have to admit am contemplating upgrading to Rm5 as you can have this as a USB programme now as well - but as we have a laptop we take it with us anyway.

I would still like a IPAD2 if i ever had the money - as they are so small & light to use when wandering around - take up a lot less space than a laptop when on the move - or at a records office. Its the big thing on my wishlist (apart from a lottery win to clear all our bills)

Well this won't get the work done - as I have a few hours to myself as OH out on a lesson this morning & I want to get a couple of hours of tree time in as don't get the chance much these days.

Will pop back again later if I can

Take care all <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Hello everyone,

Sorry I've not been on to say Hello before now but having a bad time with health problems - not helped by the smell of the oil based paint that Alf insisted on using in the conservatory. He has stopped for awhile but has a little more to do.

Not sure I like the new Sherlock - I went to bed before the end but read the next day's review of it!

Lovely to see you back Evelyn - I know how you feel and send love and best wishes.

Just tried to see my Tree but it won't load at all - waited and waited and then sent a message - wonder if that will get through.

Love to you all and good wishes.

Reece<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Hello everyone,

Sorry I've not been on to say Hello before now but having a bad time with health problems - not helped by the smell of the oil based paint that Alf insisted on using in the conservatory. He has stopped for awhile but has a little more to do.

Not sure I like the new Sherlock - I went to bed before the end but read the next day's review of it!

Lovely to see you back Evelyn - I know how you feel and send love and best wishes.

Just tried to see my Tree but it won't load at all - waited and waited and then sent a message - wonder if that will get through.

Love to you all and good wishes.

Reece<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

hello
ann no going back ti the old tree :-(

but thanks for the info you gave to sue i have just been on ancestry few weaks and starting to find my way around so i was thinking about sending my tre e there but as i not very compoter savy my daughter will do it for me

she asked me what i would like for my birthday so i asked her for her time when she has a weak off work she is showing me how to do things on ancestry :-D

also rootsmagic is ita web site or do you buy it like ftm

i have had an email from genes suport asking for details of where my screen reader i not working :-D

it has rained all day not nice at all

sally w :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Well its a very busy chatty thread today

Susan if you want my penny worth - I use to use Family Tree Maker - but it got a little cumbersome to move around and we have some very big families - Remember this was about 6 years ago - so it could have changed now

We (OH & I) did a big comparison of all the tree programmes around and the best one we found was ROOTSMAGIC amazing never had a problem - OH loves it and finds it so easy to use & it has a problem finder programme as well.

Which means it sifts through your data & gives you a list of possible problems - eg Child born before mother - or Mother was 110 when child born - or child born 20 years before parents marriage & other silly things you miss type in

Its a really good programme and i can highly recommend it

If you need any more info let me know


Sally - you can change the new GR tree back to the old one - I think they are keeping both at the moment - it must be very frustrating for you.


Sue i think you can just gedcom your tree on to Ancestry - you won't lose your original - just use a USB memory stick - Ancestry has some very useful hints that apprear on the tree - sometimes you have to take it with a pinch of salt.

I have mine on GR & Ancestry (only partial trees on each) depends what i need to find - as both have their good points - my main tree is on ROOTSMAGIC or will be when I get the time to load it all on - OH has all his tree loaded & looks really good.

Once mine is loaded in full we will set up another one & merge the two trees. Goodness only know when that day will be.

Sylvia - I hope you have a good reunion with your husband this weekend - extrra special meal tonight then.


Cynthia - my OH loved watching "Call the Midwife" I didn't think it would be his kind of story - but he thought it was really good Sunday evening TV

So your oh may like it too if he gives it a chance - Miranda Hart is in it this week - so there coudl be a few laughs as well

Better go - boss just come back - & bit a bit long on this now - got carried away on the Tree's - I can talk on that subject for england if i have to.

Will pop back in tomorrow

Take care all
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

No, Susan, no snow yet but it doesn't worry us up here or over the Border in Scotland.
Last year at this time we had 7 inches of snow but we just get on with it!!

Hi Everyone

Warm weather is back with thunderstorms to go with it ,the weather is so strange this Summer.

I have been busy the last two days helping the Granddaughter find another rental before the baby arrives.

You would not believe what some people want for rent of a house and they are not very good either.

We have settled on a few good clean ones not to far from us and her Parents ...hopefully it won't be to long before they build there own.
Getting excited now ,she is 6mths only another three to go.

Anne don't worry to much about work I am sure things will pick up soon,bills always get paid one way or another.
What is the unemployment like in the UK, my Sister works for the Barnsley council and her hubby works for Virgin ,I hope there jobs are Ok.
She does not say much lately about work .

Robert how are you ,any snow yet....I know I keep on about it but just the thought of it makes me feel cool.

Just got back from food shopping ,it gets more expensive every time I go.

I do have my tree on Genes but would like to put it on Ancestry but too worried about doing it just in case I loose it all.
I think I may buy a tree I can load into my computer ...is Family tree maker any good does anyone know.

Anyway better start dinner or I will be in the doghouse ;-)

Suex <3 <3 <3

Hi all
xx


still cold here ............ it was -8C overnight, with the wind making it feel more like -14C

It's now about -3C at almost 2 pm


A lot of snow is being forecast for some time over night or tomorrow morning ................. THEN the temperature begins to rise, and we might have rain or freezing rain by late afternoon


YUCK




BUT ..................


OH arrives back this afternoon ...... his plane should be landing in about 2½ hours



so HE can do the shovelling of snow!!




I rarely use my tree on here ...... haven't looked at it for months, maybe years. But I took a quick look a short time ago.

It looks more cumbersome to use ....... and I didn't like the way long names were abbreviated. But, as I say, I don't use this one, so I'm not that worried!


I have a much fuller, private tree over on ancestry ...... and of course, much more detail on my home computer.



s
xx

cynthia

even if i did get used to it screen reader will not read the details so if addor simpley want to look at whats all ready there i can not as it will not talk to me

if i make the words big enough for me to read i would only get three or four leters on the screen it would take me all day t read it :-|


sally w :-)