Genealogy Chat

Unfortunately, I am one of those who will never have the opportunity to touch Parish Registers :-(


and I am so glad that so much is now available on the web :-D



another glorious sunny day here ................ it is getting a little chillier though. It was only 1C at about 9 am

Oh yes i would Sylvia

I spent ages checking out one someone sent me - most of it was wrong - i just send them a few family details & some family info so that i could check their details

They were not very happy when i told them it wasn't the same family - he told me he had been doing this for over a year & mine was wrong - i said i had been doing the work over 20 years now & had documentation from the Record office

They kept all the wtong bits & deleted my family info - i dont think they had anything in common except the one persons name - Good job i didn't send them my tree as well.

Never heard from him again

As i said to My OH - i am very proud of all the work we have done together & how far we have got - even if it has taken us a long time - we started when there was very little online & we had to got to Somerset house & St Catherine's to use the BMD. they were so heavy

It really made you feel you had achieved something - where as now you put in a few names & its all done for you

I still love reading the actual parish records to actually touch the books that were written in the 1500's - its just out of this world i feel very privileged

Before long yopu wont be able to do any work with those books & some people will never have the opportunity to actually touch those books.

I have a lot more work to do & will be starting on the Parish Chest when I get the chance

Hope everyone is keeping well

Hi

another lovely sunny day here :-)



I do agree .............. some very good information can be obtained from ancestry. But I now usually advise people to take the information "on advisement", and check it out themselves.


I don't add anything to my trees without having got documentation ............. but an ancestry tree can often lead you in the right direction. Even if they got it wrong for themselves :-)


I only use the Records section on familysearch ................. they are getting more and more records on there, and you can find Parish Records that are nowhere else.

However, there is now a link up between familysearch and Ancestry, which will probably mean that many records will now also appear on ancestry .............. not surprising as there re close links between the two sites :-)


I keep away from the submitted records and trees on there ............ except as a possible indication of where or what to look for.

You wouldn't believe the mess that my father's ancestral family is in on there due to "member submitted records"

Well that seems to have got a few people talking & back on the Thread

I was very lucky this contact had paid for the help of the official archivist & very lucky they were a titled family too as all the main Tree is well established & documented, they even have some of the tree in the ancestral Home guide book.

We went to visit a Few years ago – it would have been lovely to live there then.

During the Tudor times when the country kept switching from Catholic to protestant the family fortunes kept changing.

There were 4 brothers - two stayed Catholic & two moved areas & were protestant. The family fortune changed hands depending On the religion at the time. That way the fortune stayed in the family at all times.

OH side was the side that ended up without the fortune & no large ancestral home in the end.

I agree some of the trees are very suspect & the green leaf is a pain

I check everything I can & never add to the main tree - i think i have 5 or 6 temp trees I am checking still.

I think Family Search has got a lot better

I have to admit - sometimes even with the wrong info in the tree it can point you in the right area to check

Someone i had totally discarded on a tree as the family lived in Gloucestershire & none of the others were anywhere close.

Two years later turned out to be the right family as the daughter had taken work with a family who moved everyone to Bristol (I think it was) and from there she moved on to work in Gloucester & met her future husband. So the family stayed in Gloucester.

That’s why i always keep the info somewhere - it doesn’t always turn out right - & sometimes its completely bombed out.

My 2nd cousin was in the military so very interested in tracing Military lines - when i was younger I remember seeing a photo of my nan & granddad He was in a military uniform. Can i find this photo - no - its been tucked away somewhere very safe - so safe I can’t find it.

I had tried to find his military details & only found someone who had the same name & lived in the same town - but had a different family & address.

My cousin tried but couldn’t find any trace of him anywhere only this other person who as far as i know is not related to our family.

My mother always said he was in France during the 1st World War - they were helped by a French family & when my mother was born he gave her the 2nd name of Alys after this French girl. However I can’t find any trace of him on any records and there are no family left who would know.

This is when i wish i had a time machine or had got involved in the family tree when they were all alive for me to interrogate them.

Sylvia

I agree completely that a lot of people just carry across details from Ancestry trees.

It is also true that some trees contain correct info mixed with wrong info and can help to extend your research. It is necessary to cross reference and verify before incorporating any info.

I shall be interested to learn from the 3 people I contacted why they had not seen the errors of birth. Maybe they will be too embarrassed.

Arthur

Sylvia

I agree completely that a lot of people just carry across details from Ancestry trees.

It is also true that some trees contain correct info mixed with wrong info and can help to extend your research. It is necessary to cross reference and verify before incorporating any info.

I shall be interested to learn from the 3 people I contacted why they had not seen the errors of birth. Maybe they will be too embarrassed.

Arthur

Hi everyone


ancestry trees really are not to be trusted!


Too many people are too eager just to copy from other trees without doing any checking of their own.



and those "green leaf tips" that Ancestry gives are no help at all in keeping trees accurate


In fact, ,many ancestry trees are no better than the "family relations" found on familysearch (the Mormon site)



A couple of years ago, I "found" my great aunt and her husband on someone else's tree on ancestry.

Yes, I had "Joan Smith and husband John" being born, raised and married in Lancashire, then emigrating to Newark, New Jersey.

Yes, he had ancestors of the same name and same history

The problem was ................. mine emigrated in 1902, his emigrated about 1830 :-D


According to his tree, his ancestor's children were now born to parents who were close to 100 years younger than them


I was lucky .............. I left a note in the Comments section of his tree, he read it and had removed my gr aunt and husband within 3 days.


Leaving the Comment where I did meant that anyone else looking at thta tree could see the problem!

He didn't apologise though :-(



Anne ............ you were lucky that the information sent by your distant relative was accurate!


OH's mother is Welsh, and one of his cousins told me that he had been working on one of the common lines for several years "until about 19 years ago".

Now, this guy is a trained historian, conducted research into the medieval era in the UK and France ..................... so I thought "woo hoo".

I had to prove to him that my research was accurate, and that I was serious about it before he would send me the pages of work :-S


I never accept anything at face value .............. so I started working back, starting with OH's mother etc

I went back about 4 generations, using my own research and every online record I could .............

........... I found errors in EVERY generation


I stopped at that point


G had got his research back to 1037 and the lords of Chirk


Most disappointing!

Anne

Details were added on ancestry for my 8 x Gt Grandfather William Bonney and his wife Sarah Ellite.

Examination of the family trees revealed the following glaring anomalie - children born to William and Sarah before either of them was born. details of their children born after their marriage were 'correct'.

Have written to the tree owners for their comments !1

The Bonney line is interesting as they moved to Australia, but I would like to get further back on the Nicholls line.

It is frustrating that my ancestors who lived in Sudbury and were barge builders over at least 4 generations do not have a history that can be googled. Also there is no information on the barge building - what type of barge etc etc. I tried a charity that dealt with the river Stour, but no joy.

Arthur

Anne

Still enjoying 'Indian Summers', but found 'The Casual Vacancy' deeply unsatisfactory.

I understand the ending was changed as the JK Rowling ending was too downbeat - it must have been truly depressing.

Arthur

Well done sally - it took me ages to get mine to that sort of year Wonderful - now you can go on & find the next 100 years

Arthur we need to give you a push

Have stopped mine for a couple of years as working on OH's as it keeps on going

Do you ever message people who have the same person in the tree on here or ancestry?


We had a very lucky break through - got in contact with someone on one of the sites who shared the same GGGGGGG grandfather he said he had heard from an Archivist & said would I like him to send me the details.

14 pages later I got to the end - Spent 2 days checking his against oar’s & it was the same line with extras.

We had been visiting Canterbury Record office every other week for over 2 years & got the main line back to 1610 and got stuck.

Suddenly we had a load more in just one night & rocketed that line back to 1066

I have been working on the other lines since (with the odd gap year ) i think sometimes it needs a year or 2 out to find new records on the systems.

I very much doubt we would be where we are now without the help

I was stuck on my Paternal great grandfather for many years (I never knew my father or his line) & through GR found a 2nd cousin who told me he had given a wrong name on his marriage certificate. For some reason he didn’t want to be traced – well it didn’t help me.

He had put down his father’s name was the same as his own when in fact it was Edward (the one i found a couple of years earlier )

Funny enough that line went to Kent to – so I started looking at mine as well while we were at the Record office.

Such a shame they closed it & moved to Maidstone - i use to love walking around Canterbury Cathedral & the people were so lovely more like friends.



Happy belated St David's day

Sally

Well done getting back to 1654. I am stuck at 1750

Artur

hello all
I have been working on my tree as ancestry have gloustershire parish records now and my dads family come from there although I had some info I now have managed to get back to 1654 to 6gt grandfather

hope you afe all well mow imclueding the kittys

I watched c vacancies and thought it rubbish watched mr selveridge on the I hour later button I like this although I know that it is not factual the are only storys the two new girls are the tointon sisters

waves to all the missing ones

sally w <3

Happy Chinese New year one & all Esp to the goats or sheep -

Its your year this year

Hope its good for all of us

Anne

I too recorded Indian Summers and was glad I did. It is shown in such short bites between adverts that it is good to be able to fast forward.
Beautifully shot and I will be continuing. First episodes really only introduce the characters.

The JK Rowling based The Casual Vacancy left me puzzled and not really wanting to watch any more.

Am awaiting delivery of the special food for Vikki and hope it will help.

Any one watch the UK TV last night at 9pm

Two new ones & Mr Selfridge

Decided to Record Indian Summers as sounded more interesting - however after watching it - I am not so sure - i got a bit lost in it all

Casual Vacancy - gave a miss - but can download it - still not sure as I think JK Rowling should stay at Hogwarts & not play with the grownups from the reviews i read.

Would like to get some normal opinions if anyone has any

Would watch Indian Summers just for Julie Waters & India at any time, it sort of lost me somewhere after the first hours. But I loved a Far Pavilion too much, the beautiful views & old Indian palaces & Bhowani Junction with all the Sari's & views. Also Kenneth More in Northwest Frontier - the views were wonderful.

I still think the original KIM is one of my favourites with Errol Flynn I do like the Best Exotic Marigold Hotel (the book is rubbish) read it after I saw the film & wish i hadn’t . The cast is wonderful & they can all act (which makes a nice change these days) . I wish the cinema wasn’t so expensive as i would go & see the 2nd one of the Marigold Hotel – but will have to wait for Sky. OH hates it as he says there is no story & it’s not good for men - no action.

Hi Everyone

Just a few blood pressure issues,we have nearly got it sorted.

Heat has not helped either

Arthur and Anne I do appreciate your thoughtful messages <3.

Drop in again tomorrow :-D.

Suex

Sue -

sorry to hear you had been unwell Take care in the hot weather

Arthur

You have a wonderful vet - ours is a bit like that too

lets hope it sorts out Vicky's problem

Have a great weekend everyone

Susan

Glad you are on the mend. Being unwell in hot weather is very exhausting.

Ann
Was surprised and delighted to get a call from the vet last night. She called at 20.15 and spent 15 minutes explaining what the Hill's specialist had said about stress.
very useful info and I will make some subtle changes to routine and hope that Vikki responds.

Hi Everyone

Glad to hear you are all keeping well.

Not doing much of the Tree at the moment not been to well but on the mend.

Love to you all <3

Suex <3

Arthur

So sorry to hear about Vicky - hope she gets better soon - she does not sound very stressed - its very upsetting when they are ill – perhaps she has eaten something that did not agree with her & given a kidney stone or something

I think Shadow is very far from Stressed - very laid back most of the time unless he is looking out the window & sees Magpies & Squirrels In his garden & he gets very stressed. For some reason he absolutely hates them - i wonder if they taunted him when he use to live under the lilac bush in the garden for a while.

We have always had a couple of Magpie families and a couple of squirrels who visit us. One of the squirrels has got very cheeky & sits on our other window sill , he then runs up the wall & sits on the satellite dish & swings on it upside down looking through the window at us. (don’t think Shadow has noticed)

The other day Shadow was squirming about on the desk by the windowl & crouching down wiggling his bottom waiting to pounce if the window was open & it
was next doors 3 legged cat (who is so sweet & friendly) Obviously Shadow didn’t think so as he wanted to chase him out of the garden.

Little devil

Talking about Shadow as usual - I was at home alone the other evening & head a noise by the side of the sofa - looked down & nothing - then heard a scratching noise bit loud for a mouse but not a cat type of scratching, sounded like something inside the sofa.

So i went to get a torch & shone it down the back of the sofa (didn’t want to move it just in case a mouse ran out) I saw a long black tail sticking out from under the new sofa - Shadow get out of there & I have never seen a cat press itself so thin – he wriggled out & shot off to his toys. I would never have believed it if I had not seen it myself. As the gap between the sofa & floor is very small.

When the OH came in he turned the sofa upside down to see if there was any damage & there is no cloth covering the bottom – like the old one – you can just see a cavern & the electrics for the recliner. It makes a sort of cat bed shape - Little monster obviously found it - curiosity & cats - we would not have noticed if i had not heard him.

Now we have yet another place to look if we lose him & will have to be careful when its switched on & in use so we don’t squash him

OH came home the other day – Shadow nowhere in sight - he checked all round the house twice & in all the normal places (it’s only a small house) - he eventually gave up & went to get changed - took the dirty things off to put in the linen basket & there was Shadow laying across the top fast asleep. Its not the most comfortable of places & its sort of barrel shaped on the lid & arched so not that easy to sleep on i would have thought.