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1891 England Census
Name: John Webb (Edward John)
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Maryarat Batilda (Margaret Matilda)
Gender: Male
Where born: Harlington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Norwood
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Southall
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Uxbridge
Sub-registration district: Hayes
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Webb 26
Maryarat Batilda Webb 22
Edward William Webb 1
Webb under 1/12


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1021; Folio 137; Page 48; GSU roll: 6096131.


(living next door to brother Alfred (see below) in 1891)



1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: Alfred Webb
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Harlington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Norwood
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Southall
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Uxbridge
Sub-registration district: Hayes
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Webb 21 (looks like 24 on original)
Emma Webb 26
Alfred John Webb 8/12




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1021; Folio 137; Page 48; GSU roll: 6096131.






Think this is him in 1871 - with brother Alfred


1871 England Census
Name: John Webb
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Harlington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Harlington
Town: Harlington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Staines
Sub-registration district: Staines
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
John Webb 33
Jane Webb 33
Walter Webb 11
John Webb 6
Alfred Webb 4 (born Harlington)
Edgar Webb 2




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1305; Folio: 82; Page: 15; GSU roll: 838777.

don't know if any of this will help, but you never know - marriage of Edward William Webb's parents -



Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Bruce Catherine Jamesina S Uxbridge 3a 51
*******Bull Margaret Matilda Uxbridge 3a 51
Keith Peter Uxbridge 3a 51
*******WEBB Edward John Uxbridge 3a 51

1901 England Census
Name: Edward W Webb
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward J
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: North Hyde, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Pirbright
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
Edward J Webb 36
Margaret Webb 32
Edward W Webb 11
Mary M Webb 8
Rose J Webb 7
Fredk Webb 4
Charlotte Webb 2
Annie E Webb 1 month
Fredk G Bull 22




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 598; Folio: 53; Page: 12.

possibly -


Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
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Webb Edward William Uxbridge 3a 42


North Hyde was/is part of Norwood. Norwood is in Uxbridge district.

Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
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*****Anderson Gertrude E Fulham 1a 507
GRANT THOMAS S Fulham 1a 507
Patterson Kathleen Fulham 1a 507
*****Webb Edward W Fulham 1a 507




1911 - possible for Edward Webb and Gertrude Anderson




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ANDERSON, Gordon Head Married M 52 1859 General Labourer Herdeenshire Farland Resident
ANDERSON, Mary Wife Married
23 years F 47 1864 Northamptonshire Polebrook
*****ANDERSON, Gertrude Daughter Single F 22 1889 London Fulham
ANDERSON, Charles Son Single M 20 1891 Compositor London Fulham
ANDERSON, Florence Daughter Single F 19 1892 General Servant Domestic London Fulham
ANDERSON, Winifred Daughter F 10 1901 School London Fulham
ANDERSON, George Son M 8 1903 School London Fulham
ANDERSON, Ivy Daughter F 6 1905 School London Fulham
ANDERSON, Dorothy Daughter F 4 1907 London Fulham
****WEBB, Edward Boarder Single M 21 1890 Butcher Middlesex Northyde

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
318 Reference:
RG14PN318 RG78PN10 RD3 SD4 ED15 SN253

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
North East Fulham EnumerationDistrict:
15 Parish:
Fulham

Address:
51 Bramber Road West Kensington Fulham S W County:
London

Made a slight progress I think yesterday. I have written to Fulham archives where Blanche when married went to live and they have gone the extra mile for me. They think that she could have worked in the large tent manufacturing place near on with stating canvas machinist. They have found the next door neighbours were Edward William Webb and his wife Gertrude who I have looked and found out that they married in 1911. Maybe they were some relative if all else fails may have to buy their marriage cert. Also they found out for me that Blanche reached 30 for voting in the region April to Oct. 1923. I cannot unfortunately find a birth in Surrey within that time frame. The only one is a Blanche Hilda born just before this in Wandsworth. On the 1911 census I thought I had found her as a 17 servant stating born Islington, born 1894.

My guess is that the Ada in 1911 is Emma Ada born 1894, not with her family in 1911 (I checked).

Re trying to locate London/Surrey /Middlesex...and just as an example, my grandmother was born Chiswick (Middlesex) but at 16 was in service in Richmond (Surrey)...so had I not searched outside Middlesex/London would not have found her.

Be back later and will have a think in the meantime.....

Did also yesterday receive a communication from the archives in Surrey, they had gone to a lot of trouble for me and searched the local church records and no births of Webb girls were found in any period around these dates. They also seached some school records for me and found no Webbs. So many people have tried to help I am a bit overcome with all your help would love to have good news for you. Will keep trying myself but my options are getting smaller. Must check where Mitcham is, not too familiar with London in districts only the tourists spots. Just know it is in Surrey. Fulham where Blanche eventually lived is in Middlesex so easy to move districts. Talk again soon, regards Sandra

I have seen this 1911 census, could be right but the dob could be wrong. Ordered a 3 year search for Ada's dob. The man I spoke to very helpful. Could not put London as birth place had to settle for Surrey, he explained that even though it was compulsary to register a birth not everyone complied, if she had not registered one then she probably had not registered any. On the 1901 census he told me they may not be in care but looked after by someone and for some reason or other not put on the census, this is quite common he told me. This meant I may not find them without a lot of hard work on the 1891 census and the 1911. Have bought about 5 - 1911 census sheets, all wrong of course. I did know where I think she was in 1918 working at or near an Enteric fever hospital this is where she met her future hospital. Will ask relative which hospital I found in London.

Is this Ada in 1911?

1911 census transcription details for: 16 Thirlmere Road Streatham S W
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2319 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED34 SN176

Reg. District: Wandsworth Sub District: Streatham
Parish: Wandsworth Borough Enum. District: 34
Address: 16 Thirlmere Road Streatham S W
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CLOWES, Kate M Head Single F 48 1863 Boarding House Keeper London Brixton
PORTEOUS, Grace L Boarder Widow F 36 1875 Calafornia U S a Visitor
DONKIN, Ellen M Boarder Single F 52 1859 London Peckham
STREETER, Mary Servant Single F 44 1867 Lady's Maide Boarding House Wisborough Green Sussex
GARNHAM, Fanny Servant Single F 35 1876 Cook Boarding House Hornderon Hill Essex
KING, Mandy Servant Single F 20 1891 Parlourmaid Boarding House Sudbury Suffolk
WEBB, Ada Servant Single F 17 1894 Housemaid Boarding House Mitcham Surrey

Phew.

I was asking about dates of birth cos you said the little girls would be still minors in 1911 and I didn't see that from the dates we had then.

So we seem agreed, Blanche supposedly 1894, George after 1894 but before 1899, Ada poss 1899, Lily poss 1901.

Just stating that to get it clear in my head.

No father Fred for anyone that we know of. Made up name?

Have you found them at all, on the 1901?

I am coming to the conclusion that they are not blood sisters, but all perhaps adopted by a family of Webbs. And maybe not even born as Webbs.

I still don't understand your referene to the archives and one that got missed out. What did you mean?

What do you mean?
Blanche 1893/4
George unknown but could be 1895/6
Ada 1896 according to me 1899 according to death cert
Lily was about 2 years younger than Ada but according to death cert March 1901

What I cannot understand is why 4 children in quick succession and then none.

I was told about George by the family, I was told he was older than Ada and that he went to Canada, year not know, he married but did not have children.

The family who are telling me about their ancestors are not as obsessed as I am and do not realise that any info is important.

They were all called Webb, I believe, but would welcome any other news.

From what I do know of the family Webb is the only name that I have been told.

Can you please comment on the birthdates

Sandra, I have tried and tried; The fact that I have not posted much does not mean that I have not tried.

I cannot find these three sisters, or even two sisters. The only concusion is they are not called Webb, or not even the same name as each other.

This brother George is the only possibility now. How did you get to learn about him?

All it revealed were more problems Blanche birth was about 1894 if you believe what she says on her marriage cert at least I now know there was no named father. George I was told was older than Ada, I think she was born 1896/7/8 and about two years later Lily. I have looked at institutions on another web site asking for Surrey, then Middlesex then London only looking for Ada Webb as that was the easiest to look for but still no joy. Have written to Surrey archives and asked for their local knowledge, with my luck they moved them out of London for a while. My brain is having to work sideways but you have all helped me focus.

Hello again, yes I have been on pins waiting to see if the certificate would reveal all ...!

It's looking very much as if there was no Fred Webb, deceased or otherwise at the time of the marriages.

If they were in an institution they should still be on the census, but it might give only initials.

I'm still confused about the birth dates. You said you got the information from archives, one that got missed out. What do you mean? Then you said that in 1911 Ada and Lily were only aged 9 and 7, but its more likely they were aged 12 and 10, or even a couple of years older.

The best family in 1901 so far is that found by Patricia but no Ada.

EDIT - that family is all still together in 1911, and still no Ada (or George).

Blanche, we think the oldest aged 24 when married in June 1918 spouse William George Bradfield (Another name that I cannot find on BMD) aged 45 years they married at Fulham registry office, the home address was on Ongar Road, still there.

The witnesses were not good either H Rose and D Knight had a brief look for them could be about the same age. Was hoping for a family member. The certificate is all in the same handwriting so the official must have written it no christian names at the bottom.
This makes Blanche's birth 1894 as we have researched. Have this morning found a web site for institutions and cannot find Ada on them. Sandra