Genealogy Chat

Hi Sandra, I have been thinking about these Webbs lol, and still searching ( and having another look now george has 'turned up' ) ..very glad you have found a possible marriage for Blanche, will be so interesting if it is the right one !

Taken Ladykira's advice and written to William Bradfield's and Fred Webb's family that are on trees, both written straight back that they are not related but they too are aware of what I am looking for.

I am reasonably certain it could be the right family the marriage cert I am waiting for somewhere at the back of my mind when I kept asking the Webb family for names details etc they mentioned a William or Bill which is another child of this particular family that I am waiting for this certificate, if you get my trend.


Glad you are still looking for me. Will keep you updated.

Sandra

Hi anyone who is still interested in this elusive family. Have this weekend received the marriage certificate of what I believe is the oldest child. The third child said her father was Fred spent many hours looking for him, what a waste of time unfortunatley. On this latest cert. no father is mentioned just the dreaded blank could be why we all have not been able to find the family. I have been applying for birth certs all mentioning Fred Webb. Will have to apply again and that will take a month plus. Does anyone have knowledge of if they were in care/workhouse/ etc. was a census taken?

Yep we are all still interested and poised to help. So which cert have you just received. pleae post details

Blanche, we think the oldest aged 24 when married in June 1918 spouse William George Bradfield (Another name that I cannot find on BMD) aged 45 years they married at Fulham registry office, the home address was on Ongar Road, still there.

The witnesses were not good either H Rose and D Knight had a brief look for them could be about the same age. Was hoping for a family member. The certificate is all in the same handwriting so the official must have written it no christian names at the bottom.
This makes Blanche's birth 1894 as we have researched. Have this morning found a web site for institutions and cannot find Ada on them. Sandra

It's looking very much as if there was no Fred Webb, deceased or otherwise at the time of the marriages.

If they were in an institution they should still be on the census, but it might give only initials.

I'm still confused about the birth dates. You said you got the information from archives, one that got missed out. What do you mean? Then you said that in 1911 Ada and Lily were only aged 9 and 7, but its more likely they were aged 12 and 10, or even a couple of years older.

The best family in 1901 so far is that found by Patricia but no Ada.

EDIT - that family is all still together in 1911, and still no Ada (or George).

Hello again, yes I have been on pins waiting to see if the certificate would reveal all ...!

All it revealed were more problems Blanche birth was about 1894 if you believe what she says on her marriage cert at least I now know there was no named father. George I was told was older than Ada, I think she was born 1896/7/8 and about two years later Lily. I have looked at institutions on another web site asking for Surrey, then Middlesex then London only looking for Ada Webb as that was the easiest to look for but still no joy. Have written to Surrey archives and asked for their local knowledge, with my luck they moved them out of London for a while. My brain is having to work sideways but you have all helped me focus.

Sandra, I have tried and tried; The fact that I have not posted much does not mean that I have not tried.

I cannot find these three sisters, or even two sisters. The only concusion is they are not called Webb, or not even the same name as each other.

This brother George is the only possibility now. How did you get to learn about him?

Can you please comment on the birthdates

I was told about George by the family, I was told he was older than Ada and that he went to Canada, year not know, he married but did not have children.

The family who are telling me about their ancestors are not as obsessed as I am and do not realise that any info is important.

They were all called Webb, I believe, but would welcome any other news.

From what I do know of the family Webb is the only name that I have been told.

What do you mean?
Blanche 1893/4
George unknown but could be 1895/6
Ada 1896 according to me 1899 according to death cert
Lily was about 2 years younger than Ada but according to death cert March 1901

What I cannot understand is why 4 children in quick succession and then none.

Phew.

I was asking about dates of birth cos you said the little girls would be still minors in 1911 and I didn't see that from the dates we had then.

So we seem agreed, Blanche supposedly 1894, George after 1894 but before 1899, Ada poss 1899, Lily poss 1901.

Just stating that to get it clear in my head.

No father Fred for anyone that we know of. Made up name?

Have you found them at all, on the 1901?

I am coming to the conclusion that they are not blood sisters, but all perhaps adopted by a family of Webbs. And maybe not even born as Webbs.

I still don't understand your referene to the archives and one that got missed out. What did you mean?

Is this Ada in 1911?

1911 census transcription details for: 16 Thirlmere Road Streatham S W
National Archive Reference:
RG14PN2319 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED34 SN176

Reg. District: Wandsworth Sub District: Streatham
Parish: Wandsworth Borough Enum. District: 34
Address: 16 Thirlmere Road Streatham S W
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CLOWES, Kate M Head Single F 48 1863 Boarding House Keeper London Brixton
PORTEOUS, Grace L Boarder Widow F 36 1875 Calafornia U S a Visitor
DONKIN, Ellen M Boarder Single F 52 1859 London Peckham
STREETER, Mary Servant Single F 44 1867 Lady's Maide Boarding House Wisborough Green Sussex
GARNHAM, Fanny Servant Single F 35 1876 Cook Boarding House Hornderon Hill Essex
KING, Mandy Servant Single F 20 1891 Parlourmaid Boarding House Sudbury Suffolk
WEBB, Ada Servant Single F 17 1894 Housemaid Boarding House Mitcham Surrey

I have seen this 1911 census, could be right but the dob could be wrong. Ordered a 3 year search for Ada's dob. The man I spoke to very helpful. Could not put London as birth place had to settle for Surrey, he explained that even though it was compulsary to register a birth not everyone complied, if she had not registered one then she probably had not registered any. On the 1901 census he told me they may not be in care but looked after by someone and for some reason or other not put on the census, this is quite common he told me. This meant I may not find them without a lot of hard work on the 1891 census and the 1911. Have bought about 5 - 1911 census sheets, all wrong of course. I did know where I think she was in 1918 working at or near an Enteric fever hospital this is where she met her future hospital. Will ask relative which hospital I found in London.

Did also yesterday receive a communication from the archives in Surrey, they had gone to a lot of trouble for me and searched the local church records and no births of Webb girls were found in any period around these dates. They also seached some school records for me and found no Webbs. So many people have tried to help I am a bit overcome with all your help would love to have good news for you. Will keep trying myself but my options are getting smaller. Must check where Mitcham is, not too familiar with London in districts only the tourists spots. Just know it is in Surrey. Fulham where Blanche eventually lived is in Middlesex so easy to move districts. Talk again soon, regards Sandra

Re trying to locate London/Surrey /Middlesex...and just as an example, my grandmother was born Chiswick (Middlesex) but at 16 was in service in Richmond (Surrey)...so had I not searched outside Middlesex/London would not have found her.

Be back later and will have a think in the meantime.....

My guess is that the Ada in 1911 is Emma Ada born 1894, not with her family in 1911 (I checked).

Made a slight progress I think yesterday. I have written to Fulham archives where Blanche when married went to live and they have gone the extra mile for me. They think that she could have worked in the large tent manufacturing place near on with stating canvas machinist. They have found the next door neighbours were Edward William Webb and his wife Gertrude who I have looked and found out that they married in 1911. Maybe they were some relative if all else fails may have to buy their marriage cert. Also they found out for me that Blanche reached 30 for voting in the region April to Oct. 1923. I cannot unfortunately find a birth in Surrey within that time frame. The only one is a Blanche Hilda born just before this in Wandsworth. On the 1911 census I thought I had found her as a 17 servant stating born Islington, born 1894.

Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
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*****Anderson Gertrude E Fulham 1a 507
GRANT THOMAS S Fulham 1a 507
Patterson Kathleen Fulham 1a 507
*****Webb Edward W Fulham 1a 507




1911 - possible for Edward Webb and Gertrude Anderson




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ANDERSON, Gordon Head Married M 52 1859 General Labourer Herdeenshire Farland Resident
ANDERSON, Mary Wife Married
23 years F 47 1864 Northamptonshire Polebrook
*****ANDERSON, Gertrude Daughter Single F 22 1889 London Fulham
ANDERSON, Charles Son Single M 20 1891 Compositor London Fulham
ANDERSON, Florence Daughter Single F 19 1892 General Servant Domestic London Fulham
ANDERSON, Winifred Daughter F 10 1901 School London Fulham
ANDERSON, George Son M 8 1903 School London Fulham
ANDERSON, Ivy Daughter F 6 1905 School London Fulham
ANDERSON, Dorothy Daughter F 4 1907 London Fulham
****WEBB, Edward Boarder Single M 21 1890 Butcher Middlesex Northyde

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
318 Reference:
RG14PN318 RG78PN10 RD3 SD4 ED15 SN253

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
North East Fulham EnumerationDistrict:
15 Parish:
Fulham

Address:
51 Bramber Road West Kensington Fulham S W County:
London