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i am look for ethel spicer born 1901 aroundish and married my great grandad thomas henry rayner so she then became ethel rayner but i cannot find a marriage circificate for them she died around 1935 giving birth. he was born 1896 and died in 1989 they had children wich were ken robert daphnie sydney sally jimmy denise dougie any help

Do you have a location Lauren? I can't see their marriage either at first glace. First possibility is a mis-transcription, or maybe she was married previously?

These Thomas Rayners married to an Ethel:

Marriages Jun 1923

Rayner Thomas Waite N. Bierley 9b 60
Waite Ethel Rayner N.Bierley 9b 60
Marriages Jun 1937 (99%)

Morris Ethel M Rayner S.Shields 10a 1505
Rayner Thomas Morris S.Shields 10a 1505

Marriages Jun 1938

Bevis Ethel L Rayner Hendon 3a 1604
Rayner Thomas F Bevis Hendon 3a 1604

Jan

where was she born please?

this seems to be the children
Robert T Rayner Apr May Jun 1920 Pancras Greater London
View Record
Kenneth A Rayner Jan Feb Mar 1922 Pancras Greater London
View Record
Douglas E Rayner Oct Nov Dec 1923 Pancras Greater London
View Record
Dennis H Rayner Apr May Jun 1925 Pancras Greater London
View Record
Daphne E Rayner Apr May Jun 1928 Willesden Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
View Record
James C Rayner Jul Aug Sep 1930 Willesden Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
View Record
Ethel Rayner Jul Aug Sep 1935 Willesden Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex

No Sydney or Sally but maybe Ethel born 1935 was known as Sally
All mmn Spicer

Looking too late - got distracted by purported age!

Marriages Jun 1915

Rayner Thomas H Spicer Pancras 1b 318
Spicer Ethel Rayner Pancras 1b 318

Jan

she was 43 so born c 1892!!
Name: Ethel Rayner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1935 -June qtr
Age at death (estimated): 43
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 367

possible birth
Name: Ethel Spicer
Year of Registration: 1892
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 166

This could be Ethel in 1911:

Person: SPICER, Ethel
Address: 17 Allcroft Road N W
Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
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JOCELYN, Stephen Head Married M 55 1856 Pianoforte Porter Gt Hallingbury Essex VIEW
JOCELYN, Louisa Wife Married
33 years F 54 1857 Somers Town London VIEW
JOCELYN, Alfread Son Single M 32 1879 Painter House Kentish Town London VIEW
JOCELYN, Stephen Son Single M 17 1894 Printer Kentish Town London VIEW
JOCELYN, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1896 Milliner Kentish Town London VIEW
JOCELYN, Horace Son M 13 1898 School Boy Kentish Town London VIEW
JOCELYN, William Son M 11 1900 School Boy Kentish Town London VIEW
SPICER, Ethel Boarder Single F 18 1893 Pianoforte Hammer Coverer Kentish Town London VIEW

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Possible for Thomas Henry Rayner on 1911:

Person: RAYNER, Thomas Henry
Address: 11 Glading Terrace Stoke Newington N
Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:

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RAYNER, Samuel Felton Head Married M 45 1866 French Polisher Haggerston London VIEW
RAYNER, Alfred Edward Son Single M 20 1891 Leather Cutter Lower Clapton London VIEW
RAYNER, Thomas Henry Son Single M 18 1893 Fur Packer Stoke Newington London VIEW
RAYNER, Alice Elenor Daughter Single F 16 1895 South Hornsey Midx VIEW
RAYNER, Horace Ernest Son M 13 1898 School Milk Boy South Hornsey Midx VIEW
RAYNER, Maud Lily Rose Daughter F 10 1901 School South Hornsey Midx VIEW
RAYNER, Mary Elsie Rose Daughter F 4 1907 South Hornsey Midx VIEW
RAYNER, Elizabeth Wife Married
23 years F 47 1864 Char Woman Islington London VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1070 Reference:
RG14PN1070 RG78PN35 RD11 SD2 ED37 SN241

Any response Lauren ?? loads of time spent doing these look ups

This is probably the death:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Ethel Rayner
Name: Ethel Rayner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1935 Q2
Age at death (estimated): 43
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 367

Born before the marriage:

Births Mar 1914
SPICER Sidney Spicer Pancras 1b 191

Rose

Lauren,

Everything we found was here:

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Take a look.

Rose

There are WW1 records on ancestry for a Thomas Henry .... but I do not think he is your Thomas Henry ......... on the very last page it says "Single" in Oct 1919

I am posting it so that noone else spends time to follow this one through

Name: Thomas Henry Rayner
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Age at Enlistment: 23
Residence: 57 Spencer Road, S Newington
Document Year: 1915
Regimental Number: 274039
Regiment Name: London District Labo?? Centre
Number of Images: 68




sylvia

Lauren must be encountering some problems as she has not been able to come back and reply to all our efforts yet. Or perhpas she does not know how to reply on the thread.

I will send her a pm

sorry every1 i thought you got emaied n didnt no i had post because im new i think theres no trace of sidney because he died very youn in 2cnd world war sally is ethal i didnt find out till today how id u find this infomation ?? and whts with volume 3a pg 367 is there book? and thanks everyone for you help.

The references we posted are the GRO refs that you will need to quote if you order any of the certificates.
You get them from www.gro.gov.uk certs cost £7 with the GRO ref quoted