Genealogy Chat

Thanks Janet and everyone,
Which cert shall I send for do you think?
Jill

Alice Roath was therefore born Inwood but also used her stepfather's name of Yapp.

OK, I've thought......
I'm sure the Yapp /Inwood connection has solved it. I'm trying to think about which cert to send for.....

I have Dessey's death cert and her date of birth was given as 13 Dec 1883

OOops! Look what the fairies have found out while I was asleep in bed!
Thanks for that input Viv and Rose. I have to sit and think about that one a bit....
I think Alice and Harry are only half brother/sister as Harry came to the marriage with his mother.
Dessey was definitely Bert's sister and was deaf and dumb.
Alice and Leah were definitely Bert's sisters as I have post cards from them in 1907 (eat your heart out~!!!)
Frank was Bert's brother as I have a post card from him in 1908 and he died on board the Bulwark in 1914.
Harry was talked about a lot and I have his funeral card as Harry Yapp

hmmm
Jill

From IGI:

ALICE MARY ANNE INWOOD
Event(s):
Birth: 06 NOV 1853

Christening: 07 DEC 1853 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Parents:
Father: ROBERT INWOOD
Mother: SELINA

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:



The birth is under Inswood on FreeBMD.

Rose

Here's the Inwood connection:


Marriages Jun 1861
Bettridge Selina Diana Aston 6d 328
Yapp Thomas Aston 6d 328

Marriages Jun 1848
BETTRIDGE Selina Dinah Kings Norton 18 502
INWOOD Robert Kings Norton 18 502

Rose

The ages are out in 1891:

Births Mar 1882
Roath Alice Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 117

Births Mar 1884
Roath Dessey Rosanna Birmingham 6d 125

Rose

There's a Harry Yopp but his grandfather is Thomas:

1881 England Census
about Harry Yopp
Name: Harry Yopp
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 271 New Town Row
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Yopp 55
Selina Yopp 51
Thomas Yopp 18
Ada E. Yopp 11
Charlotte Yopp 9
Joseph Yopp 7
Harry Yopp 3
Ann Wooley 40
Sarah Besley 45
William Botes 20

Rose

I cant find a Jess* R Yapp/Roath/Inwood birth at all for c1882,also I cant understand where Alice E Roath came from on 1891 census,she is clearly age 13 on image ,the same as Harry,but not his twin and no birth to correspond for her?
And I can find neither Alice E or Harry in 1881 under Yapp,Roath or Inwood.

But I am tired after too many late nights(thats my story ,so Im sticking to it)

There is a story told by my granma that Alice Yapp was in service and the young master 'got her into trouble'. The child she had was Harry Yapp who called himself Roath, but was buried as Harry Yapp.
Harry had three children: Harry, Emily (sho died in Australia) Ivy who lived in Birmingham.
HArry junior married Polly who he found whimpering in the Bull Ring in birmingham in the vegetable market. He went to Scotland at one point to find his wife and was in some way involved in a murder. There was a scandal and the family wanted it hushed up but it was reported in the press (haven't found that yet!)
So there you go folks - a family of story tellers!
cheers
Jill

Until I got Leah's birth cert I wondered if there were two ALice's, but the time scale indicates they are the same one.
Jill

That's the mystery I've always wanted to solve!
Jill

Then I don't understand where the name Inwood comes from.

Kath. x

That's interesting Glitter baby, as the name was given as ROAF on one census.

Nice theory, Kath, but I have just realised I have the birth cert for Harry and have dug it out.
born 26 Sep 1877 mother Alice Yapp, electro plate scratcher. No father given!
Living in Gooseberry Alley, Warstone Lane, Birmingham

It just seems stange that her former name is given as Yapp and Inwood on two different certificates. Perhaps she just lived with Harry Yapp's father when he was born and when she married George Roath her son Harry took his step-father's name. Perhaps your grandfather wasn't as happy with this as everyone else.

Kath. x

1881 mad suggestion but the name sounds the same

Name: George Roff
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 128 New Spring St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Metal Spinner

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 17


Shown as unmarried

That's a thought, Kathleen.
But don't the series of certs I have prove that this Alice is the same person on each?
Jill

I'd be inclined to buy the birth certificate for Harry Yapp born 1877 just to see who his mother is.

Kath. x

Looking for Alice:

Births Mar 1881 (>99%)
YAPP Alice Birkenhead 8a 496 Scan available - click to view

Births Mar 1878 (>99%)
YAPP Alice May Gloucester 6a 299 Scan available - click to view

Harry:

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
YAPP Harry Birmingham 6d 223 Scan available - click to view


Cannot see a Harry Roath.