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Morning all

I've been trying to find an Edward Brownlow who is listed as the grandson on two census's 1891 and 1901 (aged about 20 in the later) to John Foley. He was born in London.

I did try ording one certificate but put the mother's surname as Foley, they've come back and said this is not the one, should I still get the certificate or wait it out and see what else I can find out about the lad. He may have been a step grandson I suppose.

Please advise.

have you tried this one?

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Brownlow Edward London C. 1c 7

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Is this the cert you tried to order?

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)

Brownlow Edward London C. 1c 7

It looks to me as if this could be this family in 1891


1891 England Census
about Edwd Brownlow
Name: Edwd Brownlow
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: City, London, England

Civil parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:


Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St George North
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Brownlow 37
Annie Brownlow 48
Jack Brownlow 15
Richd Brownlow
Edwd Brownlow 8

I don't see another birth reg though to correspond with your Edward.

Christine

Hi Choccy and Christine the one for C London was the one I tried, but they came back and said mothers surname not Foley.

Christine the census you found for Edward Brownlow is interesting since I also found the one of the census for John Foley. I know John Foley is the right family for me because of the other people in the household.

John Foley did have a daughter called Annie but according to the census she was single, unless this is a error on the enumorators part but then why when I ordered the birth certificate did they say the mother's surname was not Foley unless this is of course a second marriage for her.

Annie or Ann/e Foley was born c1867 in Whitechapel.

Gypsy Joe
Have you checked Ancestry to see if there was a baptism?
Personally I would try and find out more about him before I got the certificate.
Good Luck with the search
Von

hi a possible
1891 census

Name Annie Foley
Age 24
Estimated Year of Birth 1867
Relationship to Head of Household Dau
Occupation Shop Lady
Address 17 Bird Street
District St George In The East, St John
Parish
Administrative County London
Birth Place Whitechapel
Birth County London
in house
john foley head 53 married
annie foley daughter 24
sylvester foley son 14
john foley son 13
ellen foley daughter 12
edward brownlow grandson 9 born london city

same family in 1901
1901 census

Address 9 Red Lion St
Civil Parish Wapping
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St John Wapping
Parliamentary Borough or Division St Georges East
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Stepney
Administrative County London
Householder 1
Name Edward Brownlow
Relation to Head of Family Grand Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born London Wapping
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Ellen Foley
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 22
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London Wapping
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name John Foley
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 68
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born Ireland Kilarney
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Sylvester A Foley
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 25
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labourer
Employment Status
Where Born London Wapping
Language
Infirmity

There is this birth which I suppose could be him born before his mother married.

Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
FOLEY Edward St. Geo. East 1c 428

Christine

Hi Gypsy Joe, I think I have found Edward's baptism.

Name: Edwin Brownlow
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 11 Jun 1882
Father's Name: Henry William Warrick Brownlow
Mother's Name: Anne Brownlow
Parish: St Botolph Bishopsgate
Borough: City of London
County: London

His registration:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1881 (>99%)
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BROWNLOW Edwin William Whitechapel 1c 302

I have found William's marriage certificate that his wife was Ann Mead. So she was a widow. Her father was Robert Markham. I think it was not them?

Is this Edwards marriage.
Edward Brownlow married Caroline Lamb 1913 dec qt St George In The East gro ref 1c 534.

Edward Brownlow of the correct age is living in St George in 1911
Other Brownlows living in St George
John Brownlow 1878
Mary Ann 1880
Sarah 1901
William Henry Precik Brownlow 1903
Katey 1905
Karrieline 1910

Could it be that Ellen Foley ,Johns wife had a daughter before she married and Edward Brownlow is her son

Ahh the joys of finding family.

Von - I've not tried Ancestry as I don't have membership to them.

Polly the Foley family in the 1891 and 1901 census's are the ones I too have found and are correct for my family although in the 1891 census it's Ellen Foley not Collen and John and Sylvester are actually twins. That's how I found this family.

Christine I'll try that one from St George in the East next. Thankyou

Steven from Oz - The name is definately Edward so I don't think he is the one but thank you.

Quinsgran since I don't know anything about young Edward I've not looked for anything else. I'm not a direct descendant but I do want to know through who he is connected.

Thanks everyone anyway, I'll keep at it and not re-order this certificate that I had ordered for the one in C London.

Christine

Thinking about it, the Edward you suggeseted wont be him otherwise the mother's name would have come up as Foley.

I'll guess I'll leave him for now.

Thanks again all.

Gypsy Joe
Don't forget that GRO were looking for surname Brownlow and mother's maiden name Foley.
Tthey were not looking for an Edward with mother's name Foley so Christine's suggestion might be relevant.
Do you have the family in 1871? I couldn't locate them and was looking to see if there was another daughter who might be Edward's mother?
Von

Don't completely disregard Edwin. I have two instances of Edwards being interchanged with Edwin one born Edwin became Edward and then changed back again and the other did the opposite!

Just for ref
The family in 1881

Name: Silvester Foley
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Wapping, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Wapping
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: Chamber Sqr 8
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Shadwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Foley 49
Ellen Foley 45
Patrick Foley 11
James Foley 8
Jeremiah Foley 8
John G. Foley 4
Silvester Foley 4
Ellen Foley 2
Emma Hurbard 22 Visitor Servant


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 461; Folio: 95; Page: 14; GSU roll: 1341101.

The first 3 children born Whitechapel, the last3 born Wapping
Parents born Ireland

Julie

Poss 1871 but ages are a bit out:

Name: Patrick Foley
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel
Civil parish: St Mary Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
John Foley 42
Ellen Foley 41
Michael Foley 13
Mary Foley 10
Johannah Foley 8
Patrick Foley 6

If it is the same family there are 2 possibilities
for daughter's bearing Edward but then why not just call him Foley? He could have been easily absorbed into a family with so many children!

Julie

Edit: Parents born Ireland. Children born Whitechapel

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Edwin William Brownlow
Name: Edwin William Brownlow
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 17 Apr 1881
Father's Name: Edwin Oswell Brownlow
Mother's Name: Mary Forster Brownlow
Parish: Christ Church, Spitalfields
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Mother's name looks more like Mary Fowler on the image.

Rose

Poss 1881 ?

Name: Edwin Brownlow
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: May
Gender: Male
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Christ Church
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 32 Whites Row
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Porter

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Spitalfields
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Brownlow 30
May Brownlow 21
Infant Brownlow

Image says son 7 days old not yet registered

EDIT Yes it is the same family- same address as the baptism record - 32 Whites Row

May is born the same year as Mary in 1871.

Edwin looks to be a bit of a naughty boy. He marries Priscilla Webber in 1872 and Mary Ann Barnett in 1887. I don't see a death for either and he lists himself as single in 1901:

1901 England Census
about Edwin Oswald Brownlow
Name: Edwin Oswald Brownlow
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil parish: Whitechapel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: The Victoria Home

Hmmm can't find Edwin Oswell/Oswald in 1891 nor a likely Mary Foley.
Rose how did you find Mary Ann Barnett as she is missing from the page of transcribed marriages?
Thanks
Julie

Julie,

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Edwin Oswell Brownlow
Name: Edwin Oswell Brownlow
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Barnett
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1887
Parish: Saint James The Great, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Brownlow
Spouse Father Name: Joseph Barnett

Rose