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Hi can anyone help.

Need to order two Scottish birth certificates but have not got any reference No's

Can anyone help find these references
the persons I am looking for are
Robert Cooper b:1819 Hamilton, lanarkshire
and
his son
Robert Cooper b: 1843 Mussleburgh, Midlothian
Which office would I have to write to?

This is my first venture into Scotland for info on my GGGF and GGGGF

Any help or advice would be a great help.

Thank you
Ann

You should be able to get the parish records from Scotlands People website online. I don't think birth certs started there until 1855. You need to register and it is free to search although you have to buy credits to view

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Hi Ann,
Nothing coming up for either of the Robert's on scotlandspeople.
Are you sure of the dates & birth places?

Regards
Kath

These ones came up

Results for: Robert Cooper, Birth/Christening, 1841 - 1845, Midlothian, Scotland, British Isles
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1. ROBERT OWEN COOPER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 15 MAY 1842 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
2. ROBERT TURNER COUPER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 03 JUN 1844 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
3. ROBERT COOPER COOPER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 03 SEP 1845 South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland
4. ROBERT MCKENZIE COOPER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 DEC 1845 Tolbooth Church, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

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1. ROBERT COUPER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 DEC 1817 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
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Thank's to you all.
Will take a look at the Scotishpeoples web site

Thanks again

Ann

None born in Musselburgh but these two have Robert as a father.



ROBERT OWEN COOPER Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
15 MAY 1842 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ROBERT COOPER Family
Mother: HANNAH PARTINGTON




ROBERT TURNER COUPER Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
03 JUN 1844 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ROBERT COUPER Family
Mother: JANET TURNER

These are the 2 showing for Robert snr. none for Hamilton though.

ROBERT COUPER Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
04 JUN 1816
Christening:
16 JUN 1816 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN COUPER Family
Mother: MARY BARNET



ROBERT COUPER Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
30 DEC 1817 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN COUPER Family
Mother: AGNES BANK


This one is submitted though.

This is your 1841.


1851 Scotland Census
about Robert Cooper
Name: Robert Cooper
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Hamilton, Lanark
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 38 James Street
Occupation: Carrier
ED: 22
Page: 9 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 10
Roll: CSSCT1851_146
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Cooper 32
Mary Cooper 30 b Glasgow
Agnes Cooper 11 b Glasgow
Jane Cooper 9 b England
Robert Cooper 8 b Musselburgh
Mary Cooper 6 b England
Margaret Cooper 4 b England

Hi All,
Sorry, I must have been having a senior moment yesterday.

Found 2 possible births for Robert senior on SP.

ROBERT COOPER 1819 DALSERF (very close to Hamilton)

ROBERT COOPER 1820 CADDER (not sure where this is exactly)

Regards
Kath

Cadder parish is in Lanark and contains Bishopbriggs, 8km N of Glasgow.

Do you have any idea who Robert b Musselburgh married? The marriage certificate would have parents names on.

Ok forget that as he was married in England. I'm hoping the census records are correct?


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Liz

1861 for Robert?


1861 census transcription details for: 22, Stott Hillock, Great Bolton, Bolton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 2825 Folio: 105 Page: 40

Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: 11 Bolton Eastern
Parish: Great Bolton Enum. District: 4
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity Church City/Municipal Borough: Bolton
Address: 22, Stott Hillock, Great Bolton, Bolton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
ENTWATTER, Edward Head Married M 52 1809 Dresser Of Cotton
Bolton
Lancashire
ENTWATTER, Catherine Wife Married F 48 1813 Cotton Weaver
Dunfield
Scotland
ENTWATTER, John Son Unmarried M 21 1840 Cotton Weaver
Bury
Lancashire
ENTWATTER, James Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Piecer Of Cotton
Bolton
Lancashire
ENTWATTER, Edward Son Unmarried M 11 1850 Piecer Of Cotton
Bolton
Lancashire
ENTWATTER, David Son Unmarried M 8 1853
Bolton
Lancashire
ENTWATTER, Susanna Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Robert Boarder Unmarried M 18 1843 Broker Of Cop
... Musselburgh
Scotland


1871 census transcription details for: Thomax Buildings, Great Bolton, Bolton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3940 Folio: 74 Page: 31

Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: Bolton Eastern
Parish: Great Bolton Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Bolton
Address: Thomax Buildings, Great Bolton, Bolton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
COOPER, Robert Head M 27 1844 Scotland
COOPER, Alice Wife F 25 1846 Lancashire


1881 census transcription details for: 4, Leamington St, Tonge With Haulgh
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3827 Folio: 54 Page: 47

Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: Tonge with Haulgh
Parish: Tonge with Haulgh Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Leamington St, Tonge With Haulgh
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
COOPER, Robert Head Married M 36 1845 Van Man For A Baker (Carter)
N K
COOPER, Alice Wife Married F 34 1847 Cotton Weaver
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Minnie Daughter Single F 13 1868 Cotton Weaver
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Robert A Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Malcom Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Alice Daughter Single F 2 1879
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, John Son Single M 1 1880
Bolton
Lancashire
RAVENSCROFT, William Lodger Single M 22 1859 Baker
Middlewich
Cheshire



1891 census transcription details for: 41, Bury Old Road, Tonge With Haulgh, Bolton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3108 Folio: 11 Page: 15

Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: Tonge with Haulgh
Parish: Tonge with Haulgh Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters City/Municipal Borough: Bolton
Address: 41, Bury Old Road, Tonge With Haulgh, Bolton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
COOPER, Robert Head Married M 48 1843 Strap Stitcher
Scotland
COOPER, Alice Wife Married F 46 1845 Weaver Cotton
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Robert Allen Son Single M 19 1872 Railway Stoker
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Alice Daughter Single F 14 1877 Weaver Cotton
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Agnes Daughter F 9 1882 School Boy
Canada
COOPER, Malcolm Son Single M 15 1876 Piecer In Cotton Mill
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Cicilia Daughter F 6 1885
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, John Son M 11 1880 Piecer In Cotton Mill
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Gertrude Daughter F 4 1887
Bolton
Lancashire
JAMES, Mary Wifes Sister Single F 49 1842 Frame Tenter
Bolton
Lancashire



1901 census transcription details for: 1, Scarborough Street, Bolton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 3629 Folio: 185 Page: 50

Reg. District: Bolton Sub District: Great Bolton
Parish: Bolton Enum. District: 42
Ecclesiastical District: Bolton Le Moors St Peters City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1, Scarborough Street, Bolton
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
COOPER, Robert Head Married M 58 1843 Machine Belting Leather
Scotland
COOPER, Alice Wife Married F 56 1845
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Agnes Daughter Single F 19 1882 Weaver Cotton
Canada Onto
COOPER, Cecilia Daughter Single F 16 1885 Weaver Cotton
Bolton
Lancashire
COOPER, Gertrude Daughter F 13 1888
Bolton
Lancashire

Hi All,
According to the 1851 census, Robert senior's wife was Mary???
Could this be the marriage perhaps?

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ROBERT COOPER Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY AITON Family
Marriage: 18 SEP 1837 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland


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Regards
Kath

Here they are going to Canada with Mrs Cooper 34, Minnie,11, R A 9, Malcolm 6, Alice 3, John 1.



Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Robt Cooper
Name: Robt Cooper Labourer
Gender: Male
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Date of Arrival: 17 Jul 1881
Vessel: Circassian
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Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll: C-4531

As far as I am aware accurate Scottish records are not available from anywhere else other than Scotlands People or by visitng our Register House in Edinburgh so I would be very wary of accepting other info re above post as chances are it will not be correct..

Jackie

Thankyou all for the info, it's a great help

Thankyou also for the sailings information, I wasn't aware that malcom son of Robert had been to Canada Malcolm was my GGfather.

I must now have a look for one of Robert's (B:1845) children who I note was born in Canada

Regards
Ann

This is the parish records for Robert Cooper born Lanarkshire 1815-1825

1 05/06/1820 COOPER ROBERT JAMES COOPER/JANET THOM FR743 M CADDER /LANARK 626/ 0030 0005 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 22/04/1819 COOPER ROBERT GRIER JAMES COOPER/HANNAH RICARDS FR93 M DALSERF /LANARK 638/ 0010 0174 VIEW (5 CREDITS


and from 1837-1850 in Midlothian nothing in Musselburg though

No Date Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No. Sex Parish City/County GROS Data Image Extract
1 03/09/1845 COOPER ROBERT COOPER ANDREW COOPER/MARGARET SKEDDAN FR5674 M LEITH SOUTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/002 0200 0394 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 14/12/1845 COOPER ROBERT MCKENZIE JOHN COOPER/ M TOLBOOTH CHURCH, EDINB EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/T00 0010 No Image ORDER
3 15/05/1842 COOPER ROBERT OWEN ROBERT COOPER/HANNAH PARTINGTON FR2510 M ST CUTHBERT'S EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/002 0350 0683 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 15/05/1842 COOPER ROBERT OWEN OR DICK// M ST CUTHBERT'S BLOTTER EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/S00 08MR No Image ORDER