Genealogy Chat

Come on Alan, it's been 3 days since you raised the question.

I have snet a pm to Alan in case he is waiting fro GR to send a message telling him there are replies on his thread, and telling him how to find the thread



Alan

if you see this I forgot to tell you how to reply on the thread.


Scroll up to the top, see a purple rectangle with white REPLY on it? Click on that

Add at the bottom of every post ........ does not work, does nothing!!



sylvia

I have previously PMd him, perhaps another will get the message across that we are all ready a waiting to help.

Margaret

Astra,
Thanks i will check it out

Sue of Oz,
I also thought Annie May could have been Doris when I checked the 1911 census, but I found Doris on a passenger list leaving London to India in 1954 and she was shown as 49yrs. she was then married to Capt. John H. S. Stewart, they also had a daughter with them Patrcia Elizabeth Pegeen Stewart who was 17yrs.who I have also had difficulty finding my last trace was they were still in India in 1960 but don't know if they left for the U.K. there is a possibility they may have gone to Australia, is there any way to find out, every were I look I seem to hit a brick wall.

Choccy,
Thanks I have most of this info. but will check it out.

Madmeg,
All my research as ended in Wales or around Bristol, don't know when Doris died she left tis country in 1954 to go to India.

Sylvia [Canada]
Thanks.

Patricia E P Stewart
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cooper
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1937
Registration district: Barton
Registration county: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 754

Marriage to John H. S. Stewart. Have you purchased this Alan to confirm her father's name and occupation and also her age?

John H S Stewart to Doris M Cooper
Spouse Surname: Cooper
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1933
Registration district: Holborn
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1055

Also sent by PM

Welcome back Alan! Please note that people will now recommence their searches to assist you, so do stay in touch.

Just to save you a bit of time in replying, most of us aren't worried about getting a "personal" reply to our bits, you can put them all on one reply and we will fight amongst ourselves!

The marriage in Holborn is a good starting point to find her father. And the birth in Dartford, Kent is a lot closer than Wales, albeit a bit late.

So Patricia Wotsit was born in Barton. Dockyards and industry abound there, so ties in with her father being a Captain of something, possibly Merchant Navy.

I would still ask you please to explain what research has led you to Bristol/Wales.

Margaret

census search results 1911 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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COOPER, John Head Married M 42 1869 Hammerman Labourer Erith Kent VIEW
COOPER, Harriett Phillips Wife Married
17 years F 40 1871 Dartford Kent VIEW
COOPER, John Henry Son Single M 15 1896 Junior Clerk Erith Kent VIEW
COOPER, Annie Louisa Daughter F 13 1898 School Erith Kent VIEW
COOPER, Harold William Son M 11 1900 School Erith Kent VIEW
COOPER, Percy Anderson Son M 9 1902 School Erith Kent VIEW
COOPER, Lillian Ailsa Daughter F 5 1906 Erith Kent VIEW
COOPER, Doris Marie Daughter F 2 1909 Erith Kent VIEW

The reason my searches are in Wales is that Isaac John Cooper 4yrs. son of Isaac and Pricilla on the 1911 census is my wives father and my wife was born in Wales. Also Doris,'s husband Capt. John H.S. Stewart worked for the Bombay Port Trust and retired head of the Marine Department as Deputy Conservator on the 9th Feb. 1960. that's when I have come to a brick wall, I found this out through passenger lists leaving U.K also contacted the Mumbai Port Trust. I have tried contacting the India Times newspaper but they never replied, also the India Embassy,the Daily Mail and varies other sites but were unable to help. The main reason in my research is trying to find John and Doris's daughter Patricia Elizabeth Pegeen Stewart who would now be 72yrs and would hope she is still alive, she also went to India with her parents, if anyone can help me in finding her, my wives cousin I would be most grateful. I have also sent for Doris's marriage certificate.

so is this Patricia ?

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Patricia E P Stewart
Birth Date: abt 1937
Age: 11
Port of Departure: Hong Kong, China
Arrival Date: 28 Dec 1948
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Hong Kong, Singapore, Penang, Colombo, Bombay and Port Said
Ship Name: Carthage
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carthage' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 162658



Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 1238; Item: 60


travelling with her mother -

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Doris M Stewart
Birth Date: abt 1904
Age: 44
Port of Departure: Hong Kong, China
Arrival Date: 28 Dec 1948
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Hong Kong, Singapore, Penang, Colombo, Bombay and Port Said
Ship Name: Carthage
Search Ship Database: View the 'Carthage' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 162658



Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 1238; Item: 60


destination address - 134 Verdant Lane, Catford SE6

Sorry, I though that Doris Marie Cooper was the focus of this email. It seems not. Doris Marie appears to be the mother of Patricia Elizabeth Peegan Stewart. who returned to the UK in 1848, following a spell in India.

Several marriages of a Patricia Stewart. I can't identify a particular one.

Oops, dates a bit muddled. Doris Marie and Priscilla COME to England in 1948 and RETURN to India in 1954.

I am assuming, Alan, that you know this Doris to be your wife's aunt and the details your wife has about Captain Stewart are from personal knowledge? Is your wife certain that Doris was Isaac John's sister? Might she have been a cousin?

Thanks Choccy, it is Patricia and Doris, how did you find passengers coming into the U.K I have only found them going out to India which was, Doris and Patricia leaving London to Bombay 9th Dec. 1938.
John, Doris and Patricia leaving London to Bombay 2nd Dec. 1946.
John, Doris and Patricia leaving London to Bombay 12th Jan. 1950.
John, Doris and Patricia leaving London to Bombay 24th Aug. 1954.
Is it possible to find them leaving India from 1960 onwards?

I still would like to find out about Doris, but you are correct, finding Patricia is the one my wife would love to find and hoping she is still alive, I have tried to find Patricia before but didn't get any replies so I decided to use Doris and see if it came up with some leads.
Doris is my wife's Aunt and she also knew about Doris's marriage to Capt. J. Stewart, Doris was always known as Isaac's half sister, but unfortunately there is no one to confirm as my wife's parents and all that generation have pass away. As to Doris been a cousin I doubt it, all the cards/letters Doris sent home she reffered to Priscilla Cooper as her mother.

This tale makes me reconsider whether she is Annie May Baldwin, who was a half-sister to Isaac, although she is also 5 years older than we would like. However, when you initially confirmed to me the details of her marriage certificate, you didn't have those, as you have only recently said that you have sent for that certificate.

Perhaps as she was marrying a well-respected man she decided to invent a name with a father.

I wonder what evidence had to be produced to get a passport back in the 1930s and 1940s?

Alan,

Did you see my earlier question about marriage witnesses?

Rose

don't know whether this is her, but just searched for Patricia E P



UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Patricia E P Heasman
Birth Date: 30 May 1937
Age: 21
Port of Departure: Bombay, India
Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1959
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Bombay, Karachi, Aden and Port Sudan
Ship Name: Circassia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Circassia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Anchor Lines Ltd
Official Number: 1748/01



Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 1427; Item: 49


She is travelling with her husband Peter P R Heasman born 26th April 1933 in the UK.

Destination address for 6 months - 44 Foxley Lane, Purley.

Husband is a Bank Assistant.



Anyone any thoughts ?