Genealogy Chat

hi patricia
if you send for a birth certificate of that person ,you will know if he is adopted in the last box along where the birth information is given the word adoption will be written nobody else is allowed to give the information to if he is or not adopted

hi to you all
on yhe subject of adoption now birth relatives can ask for contact wiyh a adoptee but only where the adoptee agrees to contact

What a sad situation for mother and son.

Sadly not all reunions work out as people would wish:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2168418/Losing-boy-destroyed-Finding-life-WORSE.html

thanks for your advice

Julie,

As Joy has said it will be difficult if not impossible to find out who your grandmothers father was. As no fathers name appears on the birth certificate then we can only assume that your grandmother was born illegitimate.

If her mother had been able to keep her then perhaps there may have been a record of the mother applying to the court for an order of Affiliation in an attempt to get the putative father to contribute to the cost of raising the child. However the fact that the child was "Adopted" by others shortly after her birth makes this an unlikely prospect.

Formal adoption on began in 1927 so prior to that "Adoption" was informal often arranged within family members or through church organisations.

With difficulty, I am sorry to say, Julie, as official adoption did not come into being until about 1926, I think.

hello
my grandma was born in 1914 in bradford and was adopted in 1914 bradford
i have her mothers name on her birth certificate but no fathers name
how do i go about finding out who her real parents were ?

I've enjoyed reading all these posts thank you, Jonesey :-)

Deborah,

I have sent you a private message.

Michelle,

Like yourself I cannot see a marriage of a Vera M Snell and a William Grey.

Birth certificates do not actually state that the parents of a child are married although it is generally assumed that if the parents give the same surname and the mother another surname (Her maiden Surname) that they are married. As I am sure you are aware people do not always tell the truth and anybody can legally call themselves by any name they choose providing it is not for fraudulent purposes.

In the index itself although the MMN is typewritten as Snell beside that is handwritten Grey.


#COMMENT entry reads Snell or Grey for mother

It would appear that there may have been some doubt expressed or irregularity discovered and that the couple indicated as your fathers parents were not married.

There appears to have only been one birth of of a Vera M Snell which was in Suffolk in 1921. That person would certainly be a possible to be your fathers mother. She married a Wilbur F Crane (Who was I belief an American) in Essex in 1945. She obviously travelled to the USA as she made a return trip to the UK on 12/5/1952 described as a housewife whose residence is in the USA. She was making for Home Farm, Great Finsborough, Stowmarket.

Name: Vera Crane
Birth Date: abt 1923
Age: 29
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 12 May 1952
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Queen Elizabeth

I'm now 50 years old and have just discovered the man I believed to be my bother is really my father. Know one ever had the decency to tell me and still refuse to discuss it with me. The ironic thing is I ended up being brought up by him and his wife as both my Grandparents died when I was 9 and 11 His children were always told that I was there aunty. I Don't even know if they know I'm really their half sister.

I believe I have discovered who my mother is.

I am so hurt and angry even tho we have fallen out as a family I still think I deserve some sort of explanation.

My whole life is a lie.

Dear Jonesey
My father was adopted and we have purchased an original birth certificate document which has his mother and fathers names on but states they were married which I can't seem to find I wondered if somebody would be able to help me further as I am stuck. She is called Vera M Snell and he is William Grey RAF wireless engineer (Corporal). She was at Home Farm, Great Finborough, stowmarket in 1943. My dad David Eric Snell 1943 has Gipping, Suffolk on his other documents.

Wonder if anyone can help as I am not a computer buff. Adoption entry 01051 Reg District Hemsworth sub District Hemsworth Western. Name of child at Birth Angela Sutton born 20th or 22nd June 1967. Date of Adoption Order 11/12/67 in Middlesbrough County Court Date of Entry 1/1/68 Order granted by A Crisp-Comotto ADOPTED NAME ANGELA YORK. I desperate to find out the name of the birth mother who I believe is YVONNE SUTTON. Is there anyone out there has any adoption records for this period. So grateful for any help, am receiving great help from a wonderful and kind person called Jan but would appreciate any guidance thanks so much from DIane :-)

My Mother-in-law was adopted in 1929 she was in care from the age of
2 and then was fostered untill the age of 9 by the people who adopted her.
She remembers going to the court to have it made legal. Is there anyway
we can get a copy of her adoption papers. She did have a copy of them
but over time and moving house they have gone missing.
Hope some one can help. Regards Helen :-) :-)

As you say she was adopted by her uncle and aunt then one of her parents must have been a sibling of either her uncle and aunt. It will be necessary to fully investigate the families of the uncle and aunt to see who that parent was.

My guess is that the uncle and aunt are this couple who married in Gateshead in 1919:

Marriages Jun 1919
Beattie Sarah E Dunbar Gateshead 10a 2369
Dunbar Thomas D Beattie Gateshead 10a 2369

Again my guesses as to who the individuals were are shown below but this will need to be confirmed by obtaining a copy of their marriage certificate:

Name: Sarah Elizabeth Beattie
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1896
Registration district: Gateshead
Inferred County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 872

Births Sep 1893
Dunbar Thomas Gateshead 10a 879

Sarah only appears to have had brothers which means that if she was the child's birth relation the child would most probably been born with the birth name Beattie.

Thomas on the other hand is a bit more difficult to pin down as he does not appear on any census with both of his parents. Following his mother, Ann (Nee Gallagher) with whom he does show up in 1901 it looks as though he too only had brothers so if one of those is the child's married father then her birth would most probably have been registered as Dunbar.

My guesses and I stress that they are only a guess which can only be proven by obtaining copies of the relevant certificates is that this was the child's original birth record and the marriage of her parents and the death of her mother:

Births Mar 1933
Dunbar Margaret Harvey Newcastle T 10b 196

Marriages Jun 1932
Dunbar Alexander Harvey Gateshead 10a 1605
Harvey Margaret J Dunbar Gateshead 10a 1605

Deaths Mar 1933
Dunbar Mary E J 32 Newcastle T. 10b 204

Alternatively:

Marriages Mar 1924
Dunbar William Young Newcastle T. 10b 121
Young Mary E Dunbar Newcastle T. 10b 121

Births Mar 1933
Dunbar Mary E Steele Newcastle T 10b 180

Deaths Mar 1933
Dunbar Mary E J 32 Newcastle T. 10b 204

My nanny who was adopt by her uncle as her birth mother passed away at childbirth and her father could not cope with a newborn baby (my nanny) so my nanny's uncle and aunty took over and brought her up since.

My nanny's adoption name was Syliva Ella Dunbar, and she was born 23rd February 1933 and she passed away on August 2010. She had three brothers thats what I was told by my mother. Her birth name was Mary Elizabeth Dunbar

Her adoption parent called Thomas Dunbar and Sarah Beattie. But I don't know her birth mother and father too. That's what I am stuck about.

Can i have your advise what I can do to find it? How can i find the adoption record?

Thank you.

Hi Patricia,
I'm not an expert and I myself am new to this site and have hit a wall myself. It is difficult to see what you a have and have not tried already, so pardon me where necessary.

I would suggest you explore adoption records with both names, places and details if only to eliminate and clarify your search. There are adoption agencies linked with Local Authorities for each area that you may find useful.
Get copies of all certificates.
Where did his parents die? who were the informants recorded on the birth certificates?
Would the aunt's maiden names provide you with any clues? (if they were his mother's sisters all the better)

Aside from adoption records check for hints of schools attended, doctors etc, social services, name changes by deed and obviously what people tell you.
To my mind a child does not have much contact with registration/authority until they 'come of age' and classed as a person in their own right; passports, vote, graduate, buy property/ tenancy, marriage/divorce, have children and so on.

Keep going! you may 'again' begin to finds facts to tally with what you have been told or found out up to now.

Sorry if I stated the obvious, but happy if it helps!

I have for some time tried to find out if my father was adopted or not. All my mother and her family were told was that he was an orphan and had two aunts living in another town. His army service records gave a different birth-date and place to the one I thought I knew. Also they gave a name of a step-brother as next-of-kin. I did not know who this step-brother could be until I found out eventually that my father was born with a different name to the one he enlisted with in 1925. I did find out that his mother had died when he was aged 6 and his father died when he was aged 11. What happened to him after that I cannot find out and do not know where to look. Has anyone any ideas?

oh how rude of me...I would much appreciate any pointers, from experience or skill.
Thank you :-)
Regina