Genealogy Chat

Ah we tend to hoard photos don't we. But what about the letters-presumably long gone? Or is it worth searching Dorothy's god daughter's attic!

Oh! That's funny, who could imagine a Swede being slight and dark with a moustache!

You'll never guess!
I've had another stroke of luck about Vilhelm/William Sande*n. I was happily romancing about Dorothy Walker marrying some big, handsome, blond Swede when her god daughter (also Dorothy Walker) now age 85 suddenly produced a photograph of him!!! He is quite slight and dark with a moustache!
Thought you might envy that! (the photo - not the moustache!)
Jill

Thanks you lot!
My stupid Internet connection has been down for a couple of days - and I got withdrawal symptoms with that!! Still Father Christmas is bringing me Ancestry (and FTM 2010 if I'm a good girl!)
I'm off to the wilds of Leicestershire on thursday for a week and might not be able to get online because the kids will be on it!! (I might be able to wait till bedtime!!)
cheers and thanks for the tip about PMs
Jill

PM sent to Jill

Ha ha -you WILL be back, the pull is too great and it's vey frustrating not being able to post when you've found something!

Well isn't that fabulous! Swedish would also tie in with the Sandean firm in Wisconsin -- lots of Swedish settlement in that area of the US:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAEsweden.htm

The first Swedish colony was established by Gustav Unonius in New Upsala, Wisconsin in 1841. The following year Peter Cassel founded New Sweden in Jefferson County. Within a few years there were over 500 Swedish immigrants living in this settlement. Other Swedish colonies were also formed in Swede Point, Iowa (1846) and Andover, Illinois (1849). Minnesota was another popular place to settle and there are over 400 place names of Scandinavian origin in the state.


So they could be related, but likely way back. ;)


(Margaret - I checked the CEF database because of the alleged Sandean Jooleh had found at Ancestry, and found it to be one of Ancestry's usual errors.)


Jill -- each of us should now send you a PM so that if your subscription lapses you will still be able to contact us -- you can reply to PMs with a free sub, but not initiate contact by PM. I'll do that now.

What an exciting find, Julie!!
The things people find while my back is turned in bed!! It looks very promising doesn't it? You and Margaret obviously have a better eye than me for spotting name variations. I would never have considered chasing that clue. The name is SO similar and the dates fit too.
The burial 'thing' also reminded me that Dorothy's brother and his wife are buried in different graves in Liverpool with different families branches. I think expense always had something to do with it as well.
If only we could find something about Dorothy's daughter Vera Sandean and two granddaghters. I'm pinning my hopes on newspaper announcements.
If I go quiet in a week or so it's because my subscription expires, but "I'll be back...." probably eventually.
thanks again,
Jill (and all the Walker family)

Ooh way past my bedtime but I have to post this:

(Ancestry.com have him as Vilhelm Anderson Sanden. He is Swedish.)

canada.gc.ca

Home > Exploration and Settlement > Immigration Records (1925-1935)
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Immigration Records (1925-1935)
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Surname:
Sanden
Given Name:
Vilhelm A.
Age:
39
Sex:
M
Nationality:
Swe
Date of Arrival:
1926/07/24 (YYYY/MM/DD)
Port of Arrival:
Halifax
Ship:
FREDERICK VIII, Scandinavian American
Reference:
RG76 - IMMIGRATION, series C-1-b
Volume:
1926 volume 8
Page Number:
19
Microfilm reel:
T-14806

Note: Due to the poor legibility of the original indexes, some information in this database may be incorrect and/or incomplete.

Source: FINDI76-1519

Edit - the age fits with the obituary

Julie

Been there, done that, Janey, Had looked for attestation papers for Sandean. No luck.
Also, sometimes a person is buried with first wife rather than second especially if there was a child with first wife. It happened in the case of my grandad, he's with first wife.

Oh well - at least it rules it out! Wonder if all the Sandeans in US Census' are also mistranscribed.............not that there is a William inamongst anyway.
Julie

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php


... Nope, no Sandean in the attestation papers for Soldiers of the First World War - CEF.

It must be Ancestry's garble of this:

SANDELL, CHARLES ARCHIBALD

-- admittedly faint, but the signature itself is very clear: C.A. Sandell. Also the father's name (in lower case rather than the uppercase for his own surname): Nels Sandell. Who/whatever transcribes for Ancestry never bothers looking beyond the first line.

Born 1895 in South Westminster, BC, next of kin father in BC. So no apparent connection.

Hang on - I'll go get it from the official Cdn govt site, which is free!!

Anyone have access to Ancestry worldwide membership? In the military records there is only one Sandean -Charles Archibald - Canadian soldier World War 1. Looks like a service record so may include NOK and address.
Julie

Janey!!
Eddy - (who knows NOTHING about Fam History has just made the same observation as you about the 2nd marriage burial!
Silly me - I just got carried away!
Hi Julie
Jill

Wow things are moving on apace! Well done everybody.
Julie

Ah -- don't you think Dorothy would be buried with her second husband? One never knows. But they could well be in the same cemetery!

Here we are.

http://communities.canada.com/edmontonjournal/print.aspx?postid=238348

"For more than 200 years, matters of local and national significance have been conveyed in newsprint -- from revolutions and politics to fashion to local weather or high school football scores. Around the globe, we estimate that there are billions of news pages containing every story ever written. And it's our goal to help readers find all of them, from the smallest local weekly paper up to the largest national daily.

The problem is that most of these newspapers are not available online. We want to change that."


One reason why I don't mind spending time on searches like this -- you learn a lot of useful stuff! An archive like that on line will be useful to me for a lot more than genealogy. Like actual work. ;)

It's all very exciting, Janey as I bet Dorothy would be buried in the same grave as William!
You've given me lots of homework.
Thanks so much for that - the info AND the homework!:)
Jill

(I was editing - I've included contact info for the cemetery in the post above.)

Take a look at the page Margaret found, Jillian. It's a Google digitized copy of the newspaper page. Apparently Google is digitizing back issues of newspapers.

I searched for

google digitized newspaper archives

and found this article

http://www.thecoast.ca/RealityBites/archives/2009/08/05/historic-halifax-newspaper-digitized-put-on-line-by-google

about google making a digitized version of the 1753 Halifax Gazette on line. That's from August 2009. It seems to be a new thing google is doing and would be hit and miss at this point.

I think you're all fantastic!
William Anderson Sandean, who died 1945 in his 58th year, only had the one daughter, Vera, with Dorothy Walker, and they moved to 147 Shuter St Toronto.
Perhaps the Sandean farms belonged to other members of his family. possibly the Sandeans were one of the three or four farms that Dorothy worked for.
I was hoping to find birth announcements for Vera Sandean and the marriage of Dorothy Walker Sandean to her second husband, Mr Myers, but the archives of Toronto Star indicated that they didn't hae bmd announcements! So how come Margaret could find William Sandean's obituary?

Jill