Genealogy Chat

Ann, you're amazing! Thanks for all your work. I had to go to bed but got up to find you were still at it! But I still don't know what happened to the John Osbourne who was the named father of Fanny Broadhurst by her mother Jane Broadhurst!
I knew that on one record they were called BRODHURST and have seen that and think it must have been the Black Country accent that caused the mistake! I found the same thing when my Birmingham ROATH family were recorded as ROTH and ROAF on occasions.
Sometimes family history is like walking through treacle - or cotton wool.
cheers,
Jill

Hi there - it was a pleasure - I love digging around the census - gt a bit carried away at times - not far enough I hear you cry?!!!

All on here by the way -

http://www.ancestorhunt.com/mormon_church_records.htm

This interesting surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is a habitational name from a minor place so called, perhaps from Broadhurst Manor Farm in Horsted Keynes, Sussex. The placename is derived from the Middle English (1200 - 1500) "brode", from the Olde English pre 7th Century "brad", meaning broad, given as a nickname for a stout or fat person, and the Olde English "hurst", a wooded hill. The first element could also be a descriptive term for the broad wood. In the Middle Ages, to call a person broad or fat was considered to be a compliment, as it was looked on as a sign of grandeur. The surname, however, could also be locational from one of the seven to ten thousand villages and hamlets which have disappeared in Britain since circa 1100, due to such natural disasters as the Black Death of 1348, in which an eighth of the population perished, or to the widespread practice of "clearing" large areas of land to make sheep pastures during the height of the wool-trade in the 15th Century. The place is thought to have been in Cheshire, due to the large number of recordings in this county, and the name has the same derivation as the place in Sussex. Recorded in the Cheshire Church Registers is the marriage of John Broadhurst and Alice Wood, on October 8th 1594, at Prestbury. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Roger de Brodhurst, which was dated 1281, witness in the "Assize Rolls of Lancashire", during the reign of King Edward 1, known as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1271 - 1307. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

I'm beginning to get hysterical now, Ann, with all the great info you are giving me.... Thanks for the tip on where to look on the Mormon site.
But I am still wondering where that mysterious John Osbourne went after 1841!!!!!!! I'm wondering if the Catholic priest , James O'Farrell, who Jane Broadhurst worked for had anything to do with him emigrating or something after getting poor Jane pregnant - or should I say "with child"?? Am I letting my imagination run away with me?
cheers, Jill

sounds very much as if he did a runner!!!! hope he spent a long time in confession!!!!

Heehee, Ann
Any idea how I go about looking up migration? My mind boggles a bit as I feel it is pointless unless I know ship and port of departure. Perhaps I could get someone to look on the Canadian census or American Census - and the list goes on.
hmmm
cheers,
Jill

Still no sign of the Osbourne family - the only John Osbourne and family in Walsall in 1841census. Where did they go - a currier and his wife and five children?
Jill

Some may be a bit old, two are definitely too young, but there's more than one John Osbourne/variants.

1841:

John Osborn abt 1826 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire
John Osborne abt 1766 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire
John Osborne abt 1774 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire
John Osbourn abt 1801 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire
John Osbourn abt 1821 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire
John Osbourn abt 1836 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire
John Osbourn abt 1837 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire
John Osbourne abt 1816 Staffordshire, England Walsall, Staffordshire - however this is the Currier, and he's the one you're looking for.

For reference:
1841 England Census
Name: John Osbourne
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: The Borough
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Osbourne 25
Mary Osbourne 35
James Osbourne 15
Rebecca Osbourne 13
Joseph Osbourne 8
Clara Osbourne 4
Henry Osbourne 2

1851 England Census
Name: John Osborn
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall Borough
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Dudley Street

Occupation: Auctioneer

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
John Osborn 47
Mary Osborn 48
James Osborn 27
Rebecca Osborn 21
Clara Osborn 13
Henry Osborn 11
Henry Bramhall 20 - servant
John Wewin 36 - lodger

1861 England Census
Name: John Osbourn
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall Borough
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Auctioneer

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members:
Name Age
John Osbourn 57
Mary Osbourn 58
Clarla Osbourn 11 - image is granddaughter; scholar; Walsall
Ellen Sheldon 15 - servant

1871 England Census
Name: John Osbourn
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: 52 Lower Hull Lane

Occupation: Auctioneer

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
John Osbourn 67
Mary Ann Osbourn 67
Clara Osbourn Gaud 21 - on image Gaud is actually the beginning of Granddaughter.


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Deaths Jun 1877
Osbourn John 73 Walsall 6b 413

Results for: British Isles
Father: John Osbourne, Mother: Mary

Batch Number: C010304

1. JOHN OSBORNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAR 1820 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England
2. SARAH OSBORNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 MAR 1820 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England
3. JOSEPH OSBOURN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 FEB 1826 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England
4. REBECCA OSBOURN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 MAR 1828 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England
5. CLARA OSBOURNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1837 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England
6. HENRY OSBORNE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 OCT 1838 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England

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IGI Individual Record
SARAH OSBORNE

Marriages:
Spouse: BENJAMIN JOSEPH GREEN
Family
Marriage: 13 MAR 1837 Saint Marys, Handsworth, Stafford, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
Source Information:
Batch No.: M098671
Dates: 1810 - 1825, 1825 - 1834, 1834 - 1837



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Deaths Sep 1839
Green Benjamin Walsall 17 161

What exciting things happen while I'm asleep in bed!!! Once more I arrive on scene to find that clever ozbird has solved a problem for me!!! What a rat that John Osbourne must have been. My poor ancestor was literally left holding the baby while he went on to greater things!
Thanks a million, now my NZ cousin and I can sit and simmer with resentment that he just got on with his life while poor Jane Broadhurst never married! And to think his daughter, Sarah lived just up the road from where I was born and bred in Handsworth!
AM very impressed, Ozbird, thank you, Perhaps I shall be as clever as you one day!
Jill