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I have been trying for about two years to find a birth record for my gt gfather.i know when and were he married and when he died also that he and 5 siblings were in milton union workhouse in 1881 ( they were admitted dec 1881) but heres the puzzle i cant find any of these people on any other census or indeed any births for any of them, i can understand one slipping through the net but 6 siblings any help appreciated

You havent given any names

Who are they by names ??

Was it just he and his siblings admitted to the workhouse - i.e. not either of his parents? If so, that would indicate they may have been orphans. Is it possible in that in such circumstances they could have been given a new surname by the authorities? (I've no evidence for such a practice but it seems the sort of thing well-meaning but misguided "guardians of the poor" might have done.)

sorry their names as follows;

my gt gfather; walter daniel curtis dob2/5/1873

siblings ;

ellen curtis born 1868
james curtis 1874
edward 1872
kate 1870
charles 1877


there is no record of the parents in the workhouse

all listed as being born in newington kent

Milton in Kent ?

1881 Census: Residents of Union Workhouse, Milton, Kent


Charles CURTIS U 4 M Inmate Scholar Newington, Kent
Edward CURTIS U 9 M Inmate Scholar Newington, Kent
Ellen CURTIS U 13 F Inmate Scholar Newington, Kent
James CURTIS U 7 M Inmate Scholar Newington, Kent
Kate CURTIS U 11 F Inmate Scholar Newington, Kent
Walter CURTIS U 8 M Inmate Scholar Newington, Kent

a possible

Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
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Curtis Agnes Ellen Milton 2a 702

Could this possibly be the parents in 1871?

This child could have been given the name Edward.

1871 England Census
about Infant Curtis
Name: Infant Curtis
Age: 1 week
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, Kent, England
Civil parish: Newington
Town: Newington
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Milton
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Curtis 30
Harriet Curtis 22
Infant Curtis 1 week

Christine

Possible:


1891 England Census
about Charles Curtis
Name: Charles Curtis
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: In Training
Gender: Male
Where born: Lewisham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: River Thames Off Grays
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Orsett
Sub-registration district: Grays
ED, institution, or vessel: Training Ship Eamouth

Hmmm, tricky. Do you know of this site - http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ - it's got a lot of information about workhouses in general. Or if you google "milton union workhouse" there are hundreds of references. hope I'm not telling you something you know already.

Possible:

Births Jun 1873
Curtis Edward Milton 2a 705

Right years, wrong surname - anyone any thoughts?

Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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Munday Edwin Milton 2a 791 (?Edward)

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Births Jun 1873 (>99%)
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Munday Walter Daniel Milton 2a 716

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Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
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Munday James Milton 2a 781

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Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
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MUNDAY Charles Milton 2a 852


Haven't checked censuses

Possible scenario for Choccy:

Parents (married) named Munday
Father dies, mother remarries - to a Curtis
Mother then dies
Curtis leaves children at workhouse and clears off
In absence of any other name workhouse staff call them Curtis
BUT surely Ellen would be old enough to know her real surname?

Any other ideas?

And of course if the Mundays show up on other censuses that makes this one rather unlikely.

I can't see a Munday family that ties in on the census, The Walter Daniel Munday birth does seem a good match in terms of first names, location and timing.

Susan, you say you know when & where Walter Daniel married, do you have the marriage cert ?, does it give any details of the father ?.

To add to Choccy's list of Munday births.

Ellen Munday, Newington, Mar 1869.

He's on the 1911 census:

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District
HOUSEHOLD CURTIS ALICE F 1872 39 Grimsby Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD CURTIS CYRIL M 1906 5 Grimsby Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD CURTIS LILY F 1907 4 Grimsby Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD CURTIS LUCY F 1910 1 Grimsby Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD CURTIS WALTER DANIAL M 1874 37 Grimsby Lincolnshire

Rose

But he's missing in 1901:

1901 England Census
about Alice Curtis
Name: Alice Curtis
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Clee
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Grimsby
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 210
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Curtis 29
Emma Stead 18

Rose

Looking at these other Munday births in Milton leads me to this family:

Births Sep 1864
MUNDAY Rosina Milton 2a 645

Births Jun 1866
Munday William Milton 2a 677

Births Sep 1869
MUNDAY Phebe Milton 2a 737



1871 England Census
about James Monday
Name: James Monday
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Tenterden, Kent, England
Civil parish: Newington
Town: Newington
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Milton
Sub-registration district: Milton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members:
Name Age
James Monday 38
Ellen Monday 34 Cranbrook
Sarah Monday 12 Biddenden
John H Monday 11 Biddenden
George Monday 9 Emly
Rosa Monday 7
William Monday 5
Ellen Monday 4
Phoeby Monday 2
Edwin Monday 6 weeks

Rose