Genealogy Chat

well well,, its been a while but i think i may have a link to the illigitamate part of my tree,,, a hint and it all work out!!,, never know for sure but i think my grandmother was a servant for a vicar and,,, she had an illigitamte child?? mmmmmmmm more research needed! but i just love the internet!

the father to sydney was not on the baptism and he was illegitamate. so no idea who the rest of the family were. the line continues from the mother as no father
Mary Known as:
Middle name: Anne Occupation: Servant at Whitson Vicarage
Surname: Roberts Date of birth:
Year of birth: c1830 Date of baptism: 30.05.30
Gender: Female Year of death:
Date of death: Source of data:

Place of birth: Goldcliff
Place of baptism: Whitson Church Goldcliff Monmouthshire
Place of death:

Notes: Her son Sidney was illigitimate (father believed to be son of the vicar of Whitson)

the grave of the vicar!
DAVIES Edward In / loving memory of / Edward Davies M.A. Oxon / Vicar of Whitson & Goldcliff / 1883 - 1900 / Died April 1st 1900. Aged 70 / Also Catherine Sarah wife of the above / who died at Weston-S-Mare / Feb 18th 1933 aged 88

its very intersting!
liz

Sorry Elizabeth - assume you mean Watford Hertfordshire which I know absolutely nothing about. As the details would be different to this thread it would be best to start a new one for Robinette so that someone else can help you.

The monmouthshire site I gave you as far as I know is unique but that are a few 'online parish clerks' sites which have church records coverage - just use google to find if the county you want is included.

hi lancashireann.. just checking the link you sent me which was free, are then anymore like that on the site?

everything i go into I got to pay for it.

I am trying to find the records for robinette in watford? would this be in the same format as newport list?

sorry i am being a bit dull but just need to know if i can access it without the charge :)

thanks
liz

glad you managed to work out the link. It's a pity the marriages are not there (yet) but it is a great site. I have found quite a bit about my own family on there (Llanfoist) after someone else told me about the site. As you say it is much more fun finding things out for yourself once someone has pointed you in a certain direction. We all learn about other sites from people with more local knowledge so keep asking when you are stuck.
good hunting

i have also worked out the linkyou sent me!! fantastic,, just trying to work out the marriages now and that will mean i am going well!

thanks again
liz

well after much messing about i have found that another relative has confirmed that sidney was indeed illigitamate. my relative has gone back on the mothers side until 1708!!

so now i am attempting my mothers mother mother!! now just hope someone else has done the research :) i like to find out the links myself.. no fun just copying,,, :)

thanks againfor all your help.. i am now on the hunt for my nans mother her name was edna robbinette.. i have small details but will make another thread for it later :)

again liz

thank you have done the search and nothing.. the closest i got is syndey at 1 year old with his mother eliza roberts/ 1851 censsos,, They are in a house with another family and classed as paupers.....however it says they are in bridport? somerset. So the batism that is on this thread if that is right then i am stuck?? as it says syndeys mum is mary ann roberts... mmmmmmmmmmm frustrated now... wish i could work out that other site so i coul search a bit better!!

again liz
p.s i have paid the full price so have access to all the records here :)

Mary Ann Roberts mother of Sidney 1851 Goldcliff could possibly have married.

You may need to look on the 1861 census for Sidney ( no surname) born c1851 Goldcliff and see if his mother is Mary/Mary Ann married.

Sidney could be under his step fathers name.
Sorry I cant check myself

thank you so much fo ryou help, but the link you have sent me i have NO idear how to search?? its a list of all sorts of things? batisms? what would be the title of the file??? i do apologise, never seen this sort of thing before? I am trying to find the dates of sidney 1851 all the batisms.. born in goldcliffe newport.. sorry,, i gussing i will wait o the weekend for a response :)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/

Sidney b1851 baptism record is on page 1 of this thread but does not show any detail about his mother other than her name. Unless she can be found with Sidney in 1861 (I do not have access to details but cannot see them on a name search) we can only guess not prove that the only Mary Ann Roberts baptised in Goldcliff was baptised 1838 d of John & Mary.
The only other thing I can suggest is that you look for Martha b 1839 d of Lot & Amelia in the 1851 & 61 census and see if they are with them as the names are similar. Once you have found someone who lives in Goldcliff you could try trawling through the pages from there. Note - Sidney will not be on the 1851 census as he was probably born after the census was taken

Will have to sign off now until Friday or Saturday. Will look to see if you need more help then

Elizabeth

You would be better using the site I gave you and looking up the baptisms for the years of birth. Children were usually baptised quite quickly after birth. It also saves miscalculations. You can find the exact date of the baptisms from the site but the correct yob's you want are:

Osborne 1873
William 1876 ( you had not listed this one)
Thomas 18178
Hertbert 1881 (NOT 1871)
Anna Amelia 1884 (mistranscribed as Hannah on the 1891 census)
Sydney James 1887
Martha 1889 - twin
Marian 1889 - twin
Mary Jane 1891

Thanks again for the inforamtion and getting in format i can understand. I now have the following children for sidney b1851

Herbert Roberts 1871
Osborne Roberts 1873-1951
Hannah Roberts 1875
Sydney Roberts 1887
Marian Roberts 1888
martha Eoberts 1888
Mary Roberts 1889.

Now I have tried to find sidney 1851 in the 1850 census. The onlyone i find is a syney born in 1952 and is a pauper but is living with his mumas a pauper in someone else house. however the birthplace says bridport??? and not goldcliffe?? sooooooo i am guessing the wrong one.

You say that you have a baptism record o fsidney in 1851and his mum was mary roberts. Do we now her age?? and were she was born???

Thanks again for the help... i am learning sslow but sure. if sidney 1851 is illigitamate then i need to follow the mums line?? is that what is normal??

thanks again liz

to summarise a bit the info you have already been given

Sydney Roberts baptised 1851 illegitimate son of Mary Ann Roberts

Sidney married Elizabeth (?probably Elizabeth Eveson mar qtr 1873)

1st son Osborne b 1873 - son of Sydney b1851 & brother of Sydney James b 1887 & sister of Marian

6th child Sydney James b 1887 (NOT 1877 1901 - age 14 = 1887)

the other child you mention Marian (rather than Mary Ann) was b 1889 - the 8th child

you have been given the family census showing children for 1881 & 1891 & 1911 (Mary Jane has been transcribed as Mary James)

The twins were Martha & Marian

1911 census.
Sydney Roberts 1852.
Elizabeth Roberts 1854.
Thomas Roberts 1879
Sydney James Roberts 1887
Marion Roberts 1890
Martha Roberts 1890
Mary James Roberts 1891

living Newport Monmouthshire.

You need to pay to see details
1911 census
Osborne H Roberts 1874
Ellen Rose Roberts 1887
Mary Helen Roberts 9 months

living Newport Monmouthshire

1911 census
William Roberts 1876 Goldcliff
living Kings Norton Worcestershire

me going to bed.. but worked out a bit of the site you sent me massive and loads of stuff,, thank you i be back 2morrow !

just to clarify.. are we saying tghat sidney 1851 is illegitamate ?? I know his wife was called elizabeth ann roberts so could it have been her son? sidney 1877 who was not the son of sidney 1851??

am i making any sense??

time for sleep - I will be back tomorrow

When you use the link I gave you - scroll down until you find Goldcliff - click on the name and then on the baptism years - do the search from that point - did not find any twins in that gereration

You have been given quite a lot of info by various people and it would be worth making some notes before trying to go further to get things clearer in your mind
eg Sidney age 14 in 1901 means b 1887 as shown by the baptism not 1877

missed out Thomas in the list and did not find Hannah

oooooooooo the plot is thickerning.. the link you sent me.. i cant seem to get anything coming up for roberts? am i doing something wrong?? I though the dates of the children were spread apart!! I though must have been more, They normaly had 1 a year. They also had twins :))

How much fun am i having??

liz

hey!! i found my sidney.. yes the name was spelt wrong and he had moved at the age of 20 to be as stone masion apprentice. In 1901 he was a stone mason so its a good link :) thank you so much for the tips..

now i got to go back and find the son sidney.. the son sydney? sidney? was 14 in the 1901 census and was lliving with sydney in the cottage in goldcliffee.. i losing track now of his birthdate!!
brains gone dead.. 1877?? is it.

i am tired now :)
thanks for you help
liz

the children were Osborne, William, Herbert, Anna Amelia, Sydney JAmes, Martha, Marian, Mary Jane

I'll let you have the fun of looking up the dates for yourself

you will also find the baptisms of Osborne's children