Genealogy Chat

Never forgetting that Charles and Camilla had rings made for each other with the names "Fred" and "Gladys"

Indeed, indeed. ;)

Btw, I think I am pretty much in the "nickname" camp.

The ">"
and "<"
on either side of her name could be stand-ins for quotation marks, in headstone-engraving style, or for parentheses.

And yes, some things will never be known - and code words between long-time loves, on headstones, would indeed be one of them. If Edward's or Wallis's headstone said "WE", and they weren't famous, would anyone know it was their code name for themselves?

'What you might not know is that during their romance, Wallis and Edward signed letters to one another and had a number of things monogrammed “WE” for Wallis and Edward. It became a sort of pet name to which they referred to each other. One presumes “WE” against the world. There’s even a Duke and Duchess of Windsor Society, an almost cultish group of admirers devoted to “WE,” as they call them.'

http://www.rehobothgocup.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

Thank you so much everyone for all your input on this one.

And especially JC, who went one step further and managed to find them in the 1911 Census. I'd been exploring this ever since the Census was launched and had nearly given up.

Not helped by the transcriber spelling the surname as BaleR. The 'y' doesn't even look like an 'r'.

Clever clogs, JC.

Grand ladies do have pet names.

Lilibet is the pet name of Queen Elizabeth

She may have been his little Valen'TINE'.

Ozi

I wasn't being coy about not giving out her surname!

Just didn't think it was relevant.

Her maiden name was FITZGERALD, and her married name was BAYLEY; but JC has already sussed that out!

Yes, I have visited the memorial and seen it with my own eyes along with other members of the family. I have photographed it, too.

The odd thing is that there are no other such oddities elsewhere on this family memorial; all the other inscriptions are what you might call straightforward. A bit flowery, perhaps, but lovely all the same.

Sometimes I think we must all consider that some things will never be known........could this be a private word between loved ones????


Dee x

HI, just a thought the TINE wouldn,t be short for Valentine? FRANCES ADELAIDE VALENTINE FITZGERALD? OR married name. Just a thought.
Lily.

Nicola, for some reason you don't want accept the possibility of 'Tine' being her nickname as she was "..a VERY grand old lady."

Yet it has been explained that very grand ladies (and she wouldn't always have been old) did use such nicknames. It was a very common practice, particularly with the type of people who had colonial postings such as the army & navy.

Ozi

You know, this is a kick.

In 1901, Frances's son-in-law's occupation is given as "Bombay Civil Service".

A couple of years later, my gr-grfather's sister's husband's sister's husband became the Chief Engineer and Secretary, Public Works Dept, Bombay.

(So his children were first cousins of my grandfather's first cousins.)

They likely knew each other - my guy been there since the early 1890s.

I wonder whether anybody in your family knows what became of his one child who married ... ;)

I'll PM you the marriage details (and other info about husband in India).


Note re the record I sent you from FIBIS:


Applications for Cadetships in EIC Armies 1789-1860 (Index)

The documents concerned may be viewed at the India Office Records at the British Library or on microfilm at one of the LDS' Family History Centres, These records are genealoigcally very important, since they generally contain justification of his age, usually in the form of a certified copy of an extract from his baptismal record, names and occupations of his parents, reference to his schooling plus the necessary letter of recommendation from a member of the EIC's Court of Directors

Nicola, if you'd consider giving the surname (husband's surname / her surname at death) you might find more eagerness to take a stab at this. As far as I can tell, you haven't wanted to disclose it, but that really does limit what anybody can do by way of hunting around.

(I think it's pretty easy to find at FreeBMD from the info here, but I won't mention it if you have decided not to disclose it.)

In the 1891 and 1901, her place of birth is given as Ireland, and in 1901 her husband's as India, for ref.

You've found them in the 1911, where the last letter of the surname is shown as R?


Btw, I second Peter's question!

Nicola,

Have you seen the actual inscription or is this a transcription? If it is a transcription then the TINE may be a transcriber's abbreviation, say, "there is no e---". In fact I think we had a similar case on this board a few weeks ago.

Peter

I don't think the first nudge worked . .

I'm giving this a little nudge just to see if there's a fresh pair of eyes out there this evening, please.

Please read through; alot of suggestions have been covered by kind people already but we've still got nowhere with this one.

I've even emailed a dozen or more memorial masons in and around where she is buried to see if anyone has a clue - no luck there either.

Thanks in advance.

Her dob is c.1835 - not confirmed yet, owing to Irish status and I haven't investigated yet to see if this one has survived.

We think that her maiden name was FITZGERALD, i.e., Frances Adelaide Fitzgerald.

Can't find the marriage yet either and feel that they probably married out in India. Her husband to be was 'born in India'.

Ooh, cancel that one. Have just found husband's entry in the India Office Records! States that they married on 7th April 1863. And also that she was born 5th February 1834. What a stroke of luck.

First child born 24th March 1864. Nine children altogether.

Some of them were born in India, some in Ireland including my G.G. Grandmother.

So getting to either the British Library or Irish Records to confirm her surname via her childrens' birth certificates is an added difficulty.

I'm going to put on a separate post to see if anyone goes to the British Library often and wouldn't mind looking up a birth or two for me.

Thanks you again.

I wasn't thinking divorce. ;)

It's possible - especially if she was marrying into the military - that she was widowed quite young.

With little hard data to go on in your post (things like date of birth, date of marriage, date of first child's birth) one is left a little clueless. But if the family knowledge is certain, then that's that!

Gosh you quick, Janey!

No, she deffo wasn't married before. Came from a very good Irish family, married a chap in the Indian Army, produced a gaggle of offspring out there, returned home when husband retired as Colonel, etc.

I am having lunch next month with her 100 year old, bright as a button youngest grand daughter (!!!!) and would love to able to get this little quirk sorted out by then.

Is there the least chance she had been married before, and this was a previous married name?

So the reason for starting a new thread where no one can see all the efforts already made would be ...?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1153669