Genealogy Chat

I want you to copy out exactly what is recorded on the certificates and then I will have another look.

Sometimes people swapped middle and forenames so all is not lost. we need to read everything again .

Hi Christine,

I think that you may have answered my earlier on this thread - but maybe not. Not sure of what details you would like posted on the thread - please tell me if I have got this wrong and am not giving you the information you have asked for..

In short, I am almost positive that the Alfred Burton Wood of Ilkeston is my ancestor, simply because he is recorded on his daughter’s marriage cert as being a provision/wine merchant. A living relative has told me that the family were Nottingham based - and Ilkeston was then part of Nottinghamshire.

This is, I believe, my great great grandfather in the census - Alfred B Wood - and my great grandfather Albert Herbert Wood, his son.

http://www.ilkestonhistory.org.uk/familyhistory%20portraits%202.htm

Alfred Burton Wood
He was born at Kettering, Northamptonshire on February 24th 1846, the son of John Wood, a Woollen Draper.
He commenced business as a Provision Merchant in 1866 and was married in 1869 to Jane Taylor, the daughter of James Taylor, an Optician of Nottingham.
[of course I thought that the website had got the father of Alfred wrong!!!]

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 44 1847
Nottingham VIEW
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shop man
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Edith E Daughter Single F 19 1872
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Lily M Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Stephen R Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 3 1888 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Mary Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Nottingham

Below is, I believed, to be my great great great grandfather - but upon receiving copies of Alfred Burton Wood’s marriage cert to Jane, his father is recorded as John Wood. I was told by the same living relative that this branch of the family were originally tailors - being Jewish.
1851
Alfred Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1846 Norths, Kettering Son Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Alice Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1844 Norths, Kettering Daughter Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Isaiah Wood Rachael abt 1812 Norths, Kettering Head Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Rachael Wood Isaiah abt 1810 Norths, Kettering Wife Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Rhoda Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1841 Norths, Kettering Daughter Kettering, Northamptonshire
View Record
Stephen Wood Isaiah,
Rachael abt 1840 Norths, Geddington Son Kettering, Northamptonshire

I have received the birth cert for this Alfred Burton Wood and, of course, it confirms that his father was Isaiah.

I am now so confused - how do I go about finding out who his father is?

Thanks for your help - sorry I wasnt around when you replied!

Elaine

Could you copy all of the details and post them on here please

Hi Guys,

it seems that i have a problem with this ancestor - as in i have obtained copies of what i think are his marriage and birth certs and they both have different fathers on them!!! his birth cert says Isaih Wood and his marriage cert says John Wood.

i am assuming that the Alfred Burton Wood IS my ancestor because his occupation on an original cert i have is the same - provision/wine merchant and he was born in Kettering - BUT - the only Afred Burton Wood that i can find, born in Kettering at the correct time, has Isaih Wood as his father. Isaih Wood's occupation was a tailor and i am told by a living relative that this branch of the family were originally tailors.

the family found on this thread has the correct children i.e. my great grandfather Albert Herbert is listed as his child on the census info

can anyone help me as to how i proceed from here?

Elaine

Your James Taylor married Harriet before 1861. He may have remarried or it mayy be another family member also James also optician.
Investigate further

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/PP_I/pp_lennie_family.htm

The Lennie Family
James, Eliza and William Lennie

James Lennie was born in South Leith in 1816 or 1817.
The family living together at the time of the 1851 census comprised:
James Lennie
Master Optician
Aged 34

Eliza Lennie
Wife
Aged 33

William
Son, Apprentice Optician
Aged 13




Thank you to Norman Price, Nottingham, England for telling me more family details (below).

Norman wrote:

"James Lennie and Eliza are the parents of William Brown Lennie, my great great grandfather. His daughter, Violet Ade Lennie is my great grandmother. She married Fred Percy Jackson. William Lennie moved to Liverpool."

Norman Price, Nottingham, England: Message in EdinPhoto GuestBook: November 21, 2007

John, James and Joseph Lennie

James Lennie died in 1854.
Around 1872, Eliza Lennie married optician James Taylor from Haywood, England. There were three stepsons:
John Lennie

James Lennie

Joseph Lennie


John Lennie and probably at least one of his brothers had connections with the business. The business traded as J & J Lennie in the early 1900s.

Joseph Lennie

Joseph Lennie became President of Edinburgh Photographic Society, 1900-01.

E J Lennie / Jack Lennie

E J Lennie gave lectures on photographic filters to Edinburgh Photographic Society in 1938 and 1948.
Jack Lennie headed the firm in 1959, the year that the company closed the photographic side of its business.

Thank you to Paul R Lennie for sending me the following message:

E J Lennie / Jack Lennie

"I think you will find that EJ Lennie and Jack Lennie were one and the same; he was my father.

He did close the business in 1959 and move to Rome, with his second wife, my mother, and died there in 1969."

Paul R Lennie: February 16, 2006

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

you have all really made my day!! if i ever become as good at this a you all are I may [one day] be able to help out other too!

i will check out the website Christine - i am SO EXCITED!!!

Elaine

These must be related in some way-check out the address

1861 Address: Bridlesmith Gate, St Peter, Nottingham
CLARKE, James Head Married M 48 1813 Surgeon Dentist
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
CLARKE, Mary Ann Wife Married F 48 1813
Pontefract
Yorkshire VIEW
CLARKE, William James Son Unmarried M 22 1839 Lace Manufacturer
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
CLARKE, Mary Jane Daughter Unmarried F 20 1841
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
CLARKE, Eliza A Daughter Unmarried F 19 1842
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
CLARKE, John C Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Assistant Dentist
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
CLARKE, Carrie L Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire VIEW
HILL, Ellen Servant Unmarried F 16 1845 Servant
Kirkby
Nottinghamshire VIEW
CHARLES, Edward Servant Unmarried M 14 1847 Groom
Normanton
Nottinghamshire

1841 Address: Bridle Smith Gate Rose Yard, St Peter, Nottingham
CLARK, Sarah F 45 1796
CLARK, Sarah F 20 1821
CLARK, Harriot F 15 1826
CLARK, William M 3 1838 Nottinghamshire
CLARK, Thomas M 2 1839 Nottinghamshire
DOLEY, Joseph M 25 1816
DOLEY, Ann F 20 1821
DOLEY, Elizabeth F 3 1838 Nottinghamshire
DOLEY, Henry M 1 1840 Nottinghamshire

1861 Address: Bridlesmith Gate, St Peter, Nottingham
TAYLOR, James Head Married M 38 1823 Optician
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
TAYLOR, Harriett Wife Married F 38 1823
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
TAYLOR, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Scholar
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
TAYLOR, Herbert Son Unmarried M 12 1849 Scholar
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
TAYLOR, Ellen Daughter Unmarried F 6 1855 Scholar
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
TAYLOR, Charles Son Unmarried M 4 1857
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
TAYLOR, Frederic Son Unmarried M 2 1859
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
CLARKE, Sarah Mother In Law Widow F 69 1792
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire

http://www.ilkestonhistory.org.uk/familyhistory%20portraits%202.htm

Alfred Burton Wood
He was born at Kettering, Horthamptonshire on February 24th 1846, the son of John Wood, a Woolen Draper.
He commenced business as a Provision Merchant in 1866 and was married in 1869 to Jane Taylor, the daughter of James Taylor, an Optician of Nottingham.

There is a picture too.

1861 Address: Malting Lane, Geddington
WOOD, Rebecca Head Widow F 46 1815
Northampton Irthlingborough VIEW
WOOD, James Son Unmarried M 24 1837 Tailor
Northampton Geddington VIEW
WOOD, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 22 1839 Lace Maker
Northampton Geddington VIEW
WOOD, William Enos Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Shoe Maker
Northampton Geddington VIEW
WOOD, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 17 1844 Lace Maker
Northampton Geddington VIEW
WOOD, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1846 Lace Maker
Northampton Geddington VIEW
WOOD, Charlotte Daughter F 13 1848 Lace Maker
Northampton Geddington VIEW
WOOD, Alfred Son M 11 1850 Scholar
Northampton Geddington

Not sure if this is him or maybe a cousin. right area though

1861 Address: Jobs Yard, High Street, Kettering
WOOD, Isaiah Lodger Widower M 48 1813 Tailor
Geddington
Northamptonshire

Try using the Genuki site for information re boundaries and lots more.

Jim,

YOU HAVE FOUND MY GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDAD!!!! - AND maiden name's of my grandmothers!! you are such a star! where did you find all this information? [all this in the time it has taken for me to find the info you had already given me!]

may i ask how you interpret the info from the 1851? they all have the name Isaiah within their names? [or am i just being thick again!!]

Elaine

Hi Rose, Christine and Jim,

I searched the census' you have found him under [cos i thought that i had been totally stupid - and still couldnt find him. However, I have just discovered that the reason i couldnt find him anywhere was because i had been searching under Derbys [which is the county that Ilkeston is in now] - however in 1891 and 1901 it comes under Basford, which is a district of Notts!!

i have now found him for myself on both the census' you have copied to me. i must check out on the internet about county boundaries moving over the years. i am sure that this will help me in my work.

thanks so much again!!

Elaine

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Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%)
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Barber Sarah Ann Radford 7b 237
Marshall Richard Radford 7b 237
TAYLOR Jane Radford 7b 237
Wood Alfred Burton Radford 7b 237

1871 Address: Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred Burton Head M 25 1846 Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife F 24 1847 Nottinghamshire
WOOD, Albert Son M 0 1871 Derbyshire
LOWE, Mary Servant F 12 1859 Derbyshire

1881 Address: 36, Market St, Ilkeston (Derby)
WOOD, Alfred Burton Head Married M 35 1846 Provision Dealer
Kettering
Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 34 1847
Nottingham
WOOD, Albert Herbert Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Edith Ellen Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Charles Stanley Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Lilly May Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Stephen Richardson Son Single M 2 1879
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Jane Taylor Daughter Single F 0 1881
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
HEATHCOTE, John Boarder Single M 17 1864 Provision Dealer Appr
Cropwell Bishop
BENNETT, Susan Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Serv
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
MARSHALL, Lizzey Servant Single F 14 1867 Nurse Girl
Kegworth
Leicestershire

Hi Jim,

Thank you for the help - you have found what must be the correct one as did Rose and Christine. You are all such experts - and I am very new at this. The information you have found in the 1901 census has found another daughter of Alfred and another relative for me.

Thanks for also supplying a date of death - my Grandfather would have only been 4 years old when he died - at only 63. I wonder if he sampled too many of his supplies!!?

Alfred's son went to live in Cleethorpes and his grandson, my grandfather, came back to Nottingham and actually lived in Basford where Alfred died.

Maybe his son also being an Alfred B Wood confused me. I suppose the next step is to find his date of marriage and order his marriage certificate. I will then have HIS father details and maybe go back another generation!