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WOW!!!!

OH is Optometrist
I am Clinical and Dispensing Optical Assistant. Daughter is Dispensing Optician and other daughter is Optical Assistant in our own Practice.

Hi Christine,

I never thought about apprenticeship records. Good idea.

I did wonder whether the Wood's in Kettering were related to the Wood's in Geddington - maybe brothers?

When I get this all straight in my head I will investigate further the 'optician' family - the Taylor's. I work in Nottingham where they and their shop was based - so I can easily go to the records office in the city center and research this. I will let you know.

When you say 'our line of work' does your family own an optician shop? [please ignore this question if you feel I am being nosey!!]

Elaine

Try putting up a thread for the apprenticeship records.
Might be Merchant Tailors and the Grocers company? Someone may have a cd

i am not sure if I mentioned before but I am fascinated with the optician as that is our line of work.

Have fun

well - i thought that they were the same person too!!!!

i think that the nearest synagog is 10 miles away in nottingham!

i will post back on this site/thread when i have been to the library - surely they must have something there - he is supposed to be a prominent person in the community!!!! [though i dont know for what!!?]

will update you with whatever i do/do not find out on thursday!!

thanks for your interest and help Christine!

Elaine

Found this one and noticed Sneinton is the name of the parish in the marriage certificate so could be Jame's parents.

1841 Address: North St, Sneinton
TAYLOR, James M 44 1797 VIEW
TAYLOR, Amelia F 43 1798 VIEW
TAYLOR, James M 18 1823 VIEW
TAYLOR, Roland M 15 1826 Nottinghamshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Herbert M 12 1829 Nottinghamshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Thirza F 12 1829 Nottinghamshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Clara F 10 1831 Nottinghamshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Charles M 6 1835 Nottinghamshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Agness F 3 1838 Nottinghamshire

Is there anywhere nearby that might have jewish records?
You may find something else in loocal archivea-trade directories etc. I am convinced they are the same person though. I have seen far worse transcription errors.

i dont know the answer to that question, Christine. I have found no 'middle' name for Isaiah.

Should i be able to find the answers at the library?

Elaine.

it is possiblethat isiah's father was John

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZ. MOORE Family
Marriage: 03 MAY 1812 Geddington, Northampton, England

Also check out the occupations of the children


1901
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 55 1846 Provision Merchant
WOOD, Charles Son Single M 26 1875 Cab Driver
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 18 1883 Drapers Apprentice
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 17 1884 Clothers Apprentice

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shopman
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
1881 Address: 36, Market St, Ilkeston (Derby)
WOOD, Alfred Burton Head Married M 35 1846 Provision Dealer
HEATHCOTE, John Boarder Single M 17 1864 Provision Dealer Appr
(I wonder if he was apprenticed to Albert- should be records)

1861
WOOD, Isaiah Lodger Widower M 48 1813 Tailor
John Wood, a Woolen Draper

The occupations are all retail
perhaps they had the beginnings of a department store between them

oh - i see what you mean - Alfred Burton Wood born in Kettering - his mother's maiden name was Richardson!!!!

so - you are thinking that maybe he has changed his father's name from Isaiah to John? [maybe to fit in?]

Elaine

Hi Christine,

the certs i have received copies of are the birth cert for Kettering page 292 and the marriage cert 7b 237

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 44 1847
Nottingham VIEW
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shop man
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Edith E Daughter Single F 19 1872
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Lily M Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Stephen R Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Jane Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
WOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 3 1888 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Mary Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Nottingham

this is the census i feel sure of - simply because he has a son Albert H [Herbert] which was my great grandfather's name.

I have emailed the people who have constructed the website where Alfred Burton's name is mentioned and said that i think they are wrong and that his father's name is Isaiah - but to date have received no reply!

I am, however, going next Thursday, to the local library which holds documents etc of Ilkeston and am hoping that the library can give me info regarding what my g.grandfather was 'prominant' for in this town.

My search of addresses given in censuses have given little fruit to my search - as they addresses have either been demolished or changed.

one address in 1881 census[36 market st] is now a factory with no mention of its previous purpose or names.

another address in 1891 census is now a nationwide building society on what was a busy high street for shops and businesses and

the last address i have in the 1910 census is a one up-one down attached to the Montague Burton [Burtons menswear] building called 'Burton House'.

i am at a loss - something is amiss here and i cannot fathom out what!!!

Elaine

1901 Address: 17, Stamford Street, Ilkeston (Derby)
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 55 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 54 1847
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
WOOD, Charles Son Single M 26 1875 Cab Driver
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 18 1883 Drapers Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 17 1884 Clothers Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Florence H Daughter Single F 12 1889
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Ida Daughter F 9 1892
Ilkeston
Derbyshire

1891 Address: 49, Bath Street, Ilkeston
WOOD, Alfred B Head Married M 45 1846 Provision Merchant
Kettering
Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 44 1847
Nottingham
WOOD, Albert H Son Single M 20 1871 Shopman
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Edith E Daughter Single F 19 1872
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Charles S Son Single M 16 1875 Provision Merchants Apprentice
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Lily M Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Stephen R Son Single M 12 1879 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Jane Daughter Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Alfred B Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Arthur Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Florence Daughter Single F 3 1888 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
ROBERTS, Mary Servant Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Nottingham


OK
I have looked at the other census returns that we have found and the family group is right for each census.

These two give us place of birth for Alfred and Jane. as Kettering and Nottingham respectively. And we have ages.

This also fitss with what we know

1881 Address: 36, Market St, Ilkeston (Derby)
WOOD, Alfred Burton Head Married M 35 1846 Provision Dealer
Kettering
Northamptonshire
WOOD, Jane Wife Married F 34 1847
Nottingham
WOOD, Albert Herbert Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Edith Ellen Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Charles Stanley Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Lilly May Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Stephen Richardson Son Single M 2 1879
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
WOOD, Jane Taylor Daughter Single F 0 1881
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
HEATHCOTE, John Boarder Single M 17 1864 Provision Dealer Appr
Cropwell Bishop
BENNETT, Susan Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Serv
Ilkeston
Derbyshire
MARSHALL, Lizzey Servant Single F 14 1867 Nurse Girl
Kegworth
Leicestershire

Middle names are quite informative

notice
WOOD, Stephen Richardson Son Single M 2 1879
Ilkeston
Derbyshire

and compare

marriage
Rachel Richardson 1838 Kettering
Isaiah Wood

Good clue I think.

Now notice
WOOD, Jane Taylor Daughter Single F 0 1881
Ilkeston
Derbyshire

I think we have another clue.

these are the only albert b wood
in 1901

Household WOOD, Alfred B 1867 34 M Shoreditch London VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1887 14 M Shoreditch London VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1882 19 M Greenwich London VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1889 12 M Edmonton Middlesex VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1874 27 M Epping Essex VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1848 53 M West Ham Essex VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1846 55 M Basford Nottinghamshire VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1883 18 M Basford Nottinghamshire VIEW VIEW
Household WOOD, Alfred B 1890 11 M Worksop Nottinghamshire

These are the only records on free bmd father and son

It is not like we have loads to choose from
Births Mar 1846 (>99%)
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Wood Alfred Burton Kettering 15 292

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Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%)
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Wood Alfred Burton Radford 7b 237

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Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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Wood Alfred Burton Basford 7b 146

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Deaths Mar 1910 (98%)
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Wood Alfred Burton 63 Basford 7b 139

OK we take a step back to where you are absoluteley certain you have him and we will do some cross checking.

cut and paste the census you are sure of.

That was quick. will have a ponder.

just a quick thought

you mentioned the family were Jewish. I wonder if the name was changed in translation.

OK - here goes!!

Birth cert
Column no - 38
24/2/1846 Kettering
Alfred Burton
Boy
Father - Isaiah Wood
Mother - Rachael Wood - formerly Richardson
Occupation - tailor
Informant - Rachael Wood mother Kettering
Registered 6/3/1846
Registered at
Sub-district Kettering Union, Kettering Northamptonshire


Marriage cert
No - 249
7/9/1869
Alfred Burton Wood & Jane Taylor
Both ‘full age’ - bachelor and spinster
Occupation - provision merchant
Residence at time of marriage - Notintone Place, Ilkeston, Derbyshire
Father of groom - John Wood - provision merchant
Father of bride - James Taylor - optician
Parish Church of Sneinton, Nottinghamshire
Witnesses - James Taylor and Harriett Taylor

Hope this is what you are asking for?

Elaine