Genealogy Chat

Thanks for the info - yes I know have all the other Wood/Moor births. I have only obtained the certificate for Samuel Frederick as yet though.

Been looking in to the Essex Henry John Wood who married Agnes Elizabeth Huskie and it would seem he worked at the Gas Works and had a child in 1907 so perhaps he left her sometime between 1907 and 1911 and got together with Alice and changed career to Grocer when his father died or became too elderly to run the business anymore? Someone has the Henry who married Agnes on their tree on Ancestry but with parents Henry Wood and Rachel Maria Fountain plus he was born in Essex whereas the Henry, son of Henry and Louisa was born in Ross, Hertfordshire. So not sure about him.

Did a search on FMP for 1911 for Grocers with surname of Wood but none came up.

Sarah, do you have this birth:

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
-Wood John H Moor Wandsworth 1d 1463

There are more Wood/Moor births on freebmd, up until twins in 1916.

Here is the only information I have on John Henry Wood:
1912 - 7 Stanbridge Road, Putney (at time of son Samuel Frederick Wood's birth)
1917 - Listed in Post Office County Suburbs Directory 1917 as Greengrocers. Wood, John Henry 50 & 76 Lower Richmond Road, Putney, SW
1918 - 76 Lower Richmond Road, Putney, Wandsworth (London Electoral Register) along with Alice Mary Wood
1947 - Listed as Greengrocer on son Samuel Frederick Wood's marriage certificate - doesn't say deceased.

I do not know his birth year or death year.

I think it's plausable that he was born Henry John Wood but used John Henry Wood later in life as his son Samuel Frederick Wood also did the same. On his marriage certificate he is listed as Frederick Samuel Wood but he signed S F Wood and he was known as Sam.

The Henry and Louisa family look a good match for John Henry Wood's parents especially given the fact they are Grocers.It doesn't surprise me if John Henry Wood was also married before. Going to have a look at the Electoral Registers for him with the other woman now to see if that brings anything up!

Me again :)

I am going to bet that these are John Henry Wood's grandparents in the 1911 census

Name: Henry Wood
Age in 1911: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Head
Birth Place: Ross, Hereford, England
Civil parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
>>> Street Address: 97 Felsham Road, Putney, London S W
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: GROCER and PROVISION DEALER
Registration district: Wandsworth
Henry Wood 73
Louisa Wood 74

Felsham Road and Stanbridge Road intersect. 7 Stanbridge Road is less than a block from Felsham Road, and 97 Felsham Road is two short blocks from that intersection.

This is the household in 1881 still living in Ross Herefordshire

Henry Wood 43 grocer and provision dealer
Louisa Wood 45
Wallace C. Wood 16
Allace Wood 12
Selena Wood 11
Hubert J. Wood 9
Frederick C. Wood 6
Florence M. Wood 4

I think it goes like this

Marriages Dec 1884
Huskie Agnes Elizabeth W Ham 4a 151
WOOD Henry John W. Ham 4a 151

they are together in 1891 and 1901 but in 1891 I think he was enumerated twice, once with Agnes and children and once with parents Henry and Louisa.

This would be Agnes's death

Deaths Jun 1919
Wood Agnes E 54 W. Ham 4a 46

Agnes in 1911 'widowed' in West Ham

Agnes Elizabeth Wood 46
Maria Wood 24
Charlotte Wood 20
Janet Wood 18
Mary Ann Wood 10
Ellen Charlotte Wood 4
Thomas Bish 24
Thomas Wray 50
Daisy Wheeler 16

Births Jun 1865 ?
Wood Henry John W Ham 4a 18

so if that is him he was a good deal older than Alice May Quantic Hagley and was still married as well in 1911. But I am still blamed if I can find him or Alice in 1911.

Againy you can copy this into the thread if you like. Now I am going to have to sign up again if I am going to stay up this late playing with familiy history, lol.

best regards,

Evie B

Hello Sarah, I have just seen your private message from 3 June when I got an email notice about it. It has been a long time since I looked at genesreunited since I have not subscribed for nearly 3 years now (if you don't pay you can't post on the boards).

I would have to read that thread all over again carefully to 'remember' what it was about!

I do notice there are some other Wood-Moor births you may not be aware of -- if you search at FreeBMD

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

for births from 1911 to 1925, say, with surname Wood and mother's surname Moor you will see three others in Wandsworth after the last one you named. They may have died in infancy, especially since there was a twin birth. You can search for deaths for those names to see whether that was the case. Adding ... I see later in the thread now that Alice May Quantick had twin brothers.

There is no Wood + Moor marriage to match as you may have seen if you searched. There is also no likely looking John H Wood + Alice M marriage (if she had been married before and married Wood under a different surname).

............ So I have been reading through the thread, very interesting and it has taken a lot of time trying to 'remember' it all!

The upshot seems to be that Dolly Wood born 1918 ... her mother Alice May 'Wood' died immediately after the birth and her father John Henry Wood gave her up to the Rookes.

Dolly's father John Henry Wood was your gr-grfather. And Alice May her mother was your gr-grmother.

Presumably JHW had the older children to care for and could not care for a baby. I wonder whether the connection was that Lily Rooke the registrar knew the circumstances when JHW registered his wife's death and connected him with the Rookes. Ah I see I said that in the thread. ;)

Did Alice register the earlier births (including your grfather Samuel) and put her name as Moor, and JHW didn't know that? He knew her name was Quantick so he put that when he registered Dolly?

Alice had left Hagley by 1911 it seems. Maybe she was living with someone named Moor and using his surname when she met JHW.

In any case, it seems almost certain that Dolly is your grandfather's sister. And Sidney Hagley, Alice's one child by her first marriage, would be your grandfather's half-brother.

I think when MarieCeleste replied to your post she didn't realize what a big mystery this had been and how much people had enjoyed it. Very often people come along two or five years later and reply to old threads when the best way to make contact is by private message. But I think Janet whose thread it is should still be around. Did you make contact with her by private message?

As I said I can't post in your thread now ... but you may have just persuaded me to sign up again for some more fun! If you want to copy and paste this entire message from me into a post in the thread please do that. And that way I can say hello to Janet too. She should be able to put you in touch with the person she was doing this research for. Her friend's mother is Dolly, a granddaughter of John and Alice, and Dolly's daughter would be your parent's first cousin.

Also if you have more information about John Henry Wood like his date and place of birth and death, add that to the thread, because information about him could help find him in 1911. Since his and Alice's son John Henry was born after the 1911 census possibly John and Alice would be together in that census somewhere.

I hope you have made contact with Janet already, and I will be interested to hear, if you post a follow up in your thread!

best regards,

Evie B

Hello Sarah, it's a good few years since there was any activity on this thread so people may not be checking back.

You could click on the name of the person who should you're aiming the information at and send them a direct message.

I have been reading this post with interest. I believe the John Henry Wood, greengrocer, is my great grandfather! The information I have of him was that he was with an Alice May. The surname I was aware of was Moor and this was listed on their son Samuel Frederick Wood's (my grandfather) marriage certificate and the Moor surname was listed on his birth certficiate. The children that I was aware of were: John Henry Wood 1911, Samuel Frederick Wood 1912, Alice A Wood 1913, Robert H Wood 1915. Would be good to hear your views on this.

Please take no notice of Mizzy.
She has got problems and has been reported many times for doing this to people,and yet GR do not terminate her account.

There is a marriage preceding those births.

Bethnal Green 1934 Sept qtr

So they do indeed look like Joseph's children

And the last Quantick/Allwinkle is born Yorkshire 'cos the mother was evacuated from Stepney.

There are 3 other Quantick-Allwinkle children (I'm not posting them because they may still be living).

No death 1984-2005 for the one other male child.


Re the specs -- yes, that's what I did -- the M/23 entry. There just doesn't seem to be any explanation for him not being registered at the time!

Janey - if you click on the specs and scroll down you can open the image and see that there is a handwritten entry with a ref to 1923.
Over to you -I'm off to bed!
Night
Julie

Possibly Joseph's son?


Births Dec 1934 (98%)
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Quantick Joseph R Allwinkle Stepney 1c 196

Appears to have died the same year & same qtr as Alice senior:

Deaths Dec 1934 (97%)
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Quantick Alice 70 Stepney 1c 227
Quantick Joseph R 0 Stepney 1c 199

Any further children of the Quantick/Allwinkle relationship may be still living and know *a story*.

Time for bed so I'll leave it for the 'nightworkers' to find any other children!

Okay ... question is ... in the 1923 registration, "Tracey" is the mother's surname.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. How many Quanticks married Traceys??

Per FreeBMD, only the one of each: Alice's parents, in 1887.

No other Quantick-Tracey births.

Clicking on the spectacles for the 1909 entry, it says:

"This entry appears to be a late entry however the entry referred to cannot be found, either because it is not identical to this entry or because it has not yet been transcribed."

At the time, probably not yet transcribed.

Did he register his own birth, and not know his mother's surname? Or want to conceal that his mother wasn't married?
- edit - of course not, he would have been 14 ...

There were only two Joseph Rs registered in Wandsworth in 1909:

Births Mar 1909
Donovan Joseph Richard Wandsworth 1d 771
Knight Joseph Robert Wandsworth 1d 563


Where's this Joseph at in 1911, do we know??
- edit - duh:

QUANTICK JOSEPH RICHMOND TRACEY M 1909 2 Wandsworth London

But why??

Ref the reregistration of Frederick's birth.
I think I've found another Quantick anomaly.

Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
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QUANTICK Joseph R Wandsworth 1d ?
Quantick Joseph R J Wandsworth 1d ?
Quantick Joseph R J Wandsworth 1d M/23


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
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Quantick Joseph R T Tracey Wandsworth 1d 1297



This appears to be a reregistration of Joseph Richmond Traceys birth.

He appears in 1911 aged 2.

The registration page in 1909 has his birth as a handwritten entry and a ref to 1923. But the entry in 1923 makes no reference to the fact that it's a late registration. How confusing!

Wonder if his mother was not actually Alice senior??

Just noticed that the twins Edwin and Charles brothers of Alice May/Tracey in 1901 are not there in 1911. Sadly it looks like they both died:

Quantick Edwin James 2 Lambeth 1d 286
Quantick Frederick Charles 2 Lambeth 1d 286

Another bit of the family story if it has been passed down.

And the second Frederick C that Janey mentioned was also born in Leicester..........................but in 1929:

Births Sep 1929 (>99%)
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Quantick Frederick C Lane Leicester 7a 308

EDIT I belive this is the same Frederick Charles who was initially registered as Frederick C Lane in 1906. In 1929 he was then reregistered as Quantick and appears as a handwritten entry in the 1906 register.

It just goes to show that not everything is as it appears in the records and you have to dig deeper!

This looks like Alice May/Tracey's parents in 1911

QUANTICK ALICE F 1873 38 Wandsworth
QUANTICK EDWARD CHARLES M 1905 6 Wandsworth
QUANTICK JOSEPH RICHMOND TRACEY M 1909 2 Wandsworth
QUANTICK WILLIAM JOHN M 1868 43 Wandsworth
QUANTICK WILLIAM JOHN M 1897 14 Wandsworth

Alice's age is prob more like 42 as it was 32 in the 1901 census & the above children could be brothers of Alice May/Tracey

Adding info in case it bears fruit later. Further to Janey's post for 1911 census - Tracey's children as per the WW1 pension records:

Elizabeth Estella b. 19.8.07 Battersea
Walter Kingsley b. 17.10.09 _______? (Can't make it out)
Ivy May b. 31.3.11 Wandsworth
Hilda Adelaide b. 1.10.13 Southwark

and this one added later in the record:

Frederick Charles b. 20.4.06 (illegitimate)

Just looked for him on FreeBMD. Maybe this one:

Lane Frederick Charles Q Leicester 7a 188

{ Edit -and just to confuse the issue-I later found this one

Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Quantick Frederick C Leicester 7a 29 }


Leicester???

Just had another look at the pension records and I think Walter Kingsley was also born in Leicester.

Probably not relevant overall but interesting!

I've heard back from Richard saying he thinks they are one and the same Sidney and giving me access to his tree but It is quite large and He isn't a direct descendant of Sidney. Anyway I've asked him a few questions and awaiting his reply.