Genealogy Chat

Hi again Mike

Thanks for explaining about the wording on the death cert about 'Causing the body to be buried' I'm glad I wasn't the only one to be confused by it.

Thanks again for your help
Kathleen

Thank you so much for looking through all the registers Mike.

I guess I will have to face the facts and start looking for the Sanby family roots in Lincolnshire! All is not lost we have Daniel Sewell's parents!

Thanks again for your time
Caroline x

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Greeting’s again. …Eileen.

Sorry NO Workhouse Admission & Discharge Books for All Saints Parish
1821.~ 1831. held at the Records Office …… Too early.

But regards the ¼ Sessions 1872.

They do have FULL Indexes for all Prisoners held at Welford Road
Names Ages. Occupations & reasons for imprisonments
1872 ~24.

Plus it’s possible that the Court case made the Newspapers of the time
So we could check this out although it’s usually a bit long winded reading the Papers which are on Microfilm
But we need names ages plus the date and why he was in court for….

If you do not wish to make the name & reasons known on this Public forum ...then send me a Private message via this site . ....


MIKE.

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Greeting’s again. …….. Caroline….

Not so lucky this Time ….Sorry.

I trawled the Parish Registers for St Peter’s Barrowden.1750 ~ 1800.

The only Baptism of a Frances b c 1766 was this one :~

1778.
Frances Baseborn Daughter of Elizabeth Bonte. ..Bapt. 6th. Sept.

BUT did spot these :~

1768.
Daniel. Son of Daniel & Mary SEWELL…….Bapt. 7th. Jan.

1769.
Daniel. Son of Daniel & Mary SEWELL…….Bapt.22nd. June.
Looks like the 1st Daniel must have died then ?

1773.
Joseph. Son of Daniel & Mary SEWELL. …Bapt…..5th. May.

ALL Sewell Baptisms conducted by Francis Wotton. Rector of St: Peter’s

MIKE. ….

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Who’s a lucky Girl then ?……….lol :0)))))

FICHE No’. D.E. 667. / 4. 3rd of 4 Fiches.
ALL SAINTS Parish Church.
Loughborough. .

Registers Reads thus :~

BAPTISM & BURIALS ANNO DOMINI :~ 1779.

9th. June.
Kitty Daughter of John y ELIZABETH Billson of the Parks...... Baptised ……

Y = ......AND (old English )

So. …” The Parks “ seems to clinch it ?

MARRIAGE :~

Fiche No’. D E 1416. / 5…….. 1 of 1 Fiche.

ALL SAINTS Parish Church.
THURCASTON cum Cropston.

Registers read thus :~

Bottom of page 21. ( No entry No’ given )

John BILSON. Of the Parish of Loughborough.
withIn the County of Leicestershire.

Catherine WILSON of Thurcaston
withIn the said same County.

Married in this Church by LICENCE

This Eleventh Day of May.
One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Six.
By Me :~ P. Ball. Curate of Thurcaston.

John signed the register by own signature.= John BILLSON.
Catherine by her Mark = X

In the Presence of :~

Francis Wilson.
John Ballard.

EXTRA INFORMATION via Licence Bonds. :~

Approved & Granted ….10th. May 1776.

BILLSON. JOHN. Farmer of Loughborough. Bachelor. aged. 23.

WILSON. CATHERINE. Spinster aged. 21. Thurcaston.

Marriage to take place Thurcaston.

Securer of £200 Bond.:~

Joseph Vicars. ...Surgeon. Loughborough.


MIKE….Thank you for your " Welcome back Pm " on the other side.......

Greeting’s again Kathleen…….

Just to put it in layman’s terms :~

causing the Body to be buried. =

which means that the person who was in charge of the Body of the deceased

OR

"Causing the body to be buried" is put on a certificate
when the informant is not known to the dead person
AND they have taken responsibility for burying the body (and the expense thereof).

Can often be an Undertaker, or possibly in your case, an Almoner at the hospital.(Which would probably make it a pauper's burial)

Today this sort of thing is done by Council Departments, who usually have a Bereavement Officer who handles the deceased's affairs and tries to find living relatives


Those who can be qualified as an informant for a death :~

DEATHS IN INSTITUTIONS: = This includes Hospitals

• (1) Any Relative of the Deceased who may be available.
• (2) The Chief (or Acting Chief) Resident Officer.
• (3) A Person present at the Death.
• (4) The Person causing the Body to be buried.

Therefore I would think that this F.W. Fisher was
in fact the Funeral Director
Who was the duty Undertaker for the General Hospital on the day.
If he was a Hospital staff then there would have been letters after his name
plus his Medical occupation would have been stated ……

Hope this makes sense ….

It caused a few heads to be scratched at the Records Office to day……

MIKE.

Hi Mike

Thank you for replying, you've solved it for me, why I thought Rupert St. was a cemetery was because the cert. says Informant F.W.Fisher, causing the body to be buried Rupert St. I'd never seen that wording on any other death cert. Now it looks like Mr. Fisher worked at the Registry Office. I would have thought that as the death was in the General Hosp. the informant would have been someone from the family or the hospital.
Yes he was sixty at the time of his death.

Another mystery solved many thanks again for your help.
Regards
Kathleen

Greeting’s again. ….. Kathleeen..

Er ………Are you sure you are reading the certificate right ?

( 1.)
They do not usually put the place of burial on DEATH Certificates.

( 2.)
Rupert Street was the address of the Registrar’s Office.
For Birth Marriages & Deaths….

Was your James aged 60 on death ?

Sorry he was not on any of me data bases
for usual burial places for the City of Leicester.
Suspect he was Buried / Cremated in Gilroes Crematorium.

MIKE.

Hello Mike

I wonder if you could answer this query for me, I have a death cert. for a James Tattersall who died in Dec.1939, the burial took place at Rupert St., have you any info on this cemetery?
Many thanks
Kathleen

Hello Mike

Sorry I gave you the wrong date for workhouse records. It would be from about 1821-1831 for the parish of All Saints.

1872 refers to a possible Court Case in Leicester - so perhaps 1/4 Session Records would be useful. Many thanks, Eileen

Greeting's again Eileen.

Workhouse Admissions & Discharge Books
I'm not sure but have an idea those held at Records Office do not start till 1885.

But will ask and get back to you

Was it St;Margaret's Parish Workhouse ...?
If not can you tell me which Parish you want ?

And if you get back to me by close of play today 24.03.09.
Then I can answer you tomorrow 25..03.09.
If they have the one you want

MIKE.

Yes Mike
a big thank you without you this thread wouldn't have got so far
Bev xx

Hello Mike - hope you can tell me if there are any workhouse records for 1872 in Leicester R.O.
Many thanks, Eileen

Yes Anne, you can speak for me too - he's doing a wonderful job. Eileen

Seconded, Anne - round of applause for Mike!

Is anyone else having trouble with this site today? As soon as I click on "Bookmark this", it signs me out.

a nudge .... for Karen of Brisbane.. just in case

Cheers

thanks to mike for all the work you do

it is greatly appreciated by everyone


well I hope I can talk for everyone

Nudged . ....To be front of Part 19.

MIKE.

Can you please use this thread now instead of part nineteen

I am looking for Masters,Stretton,Gilford and Packwood