Genealogy Chat

Giving this a nudge so people can find the details.

Gwyn

Thank you Boogie no he did not have a middle name wish he had and as I said before he must have had a death certificiate

Margaret

Did he have a middle name?

Hi Margaret yes I have both Kate and Emma in the 1891 census Emma working in Hackney and Kate working in Edmonton. I just can't think there could not have been a death certifictae for him . I have the family in the 1901 census and have found them all in the 1911 census. William Poole was born in Havehill in 1831 and married Emma Maria Ranson in 1871 Emma was born in Sudbury Suffolk. than you

Margaret

Hi Margaret

Have you found young Emma and Kate in 1891? I can't see Kate, but there is an Emma b London, living in Portsmouth with Henry Turner described as a cousin. Wonder if William died there (but I can't find a death), or died en-route?

Does the Turner name mean anything to you? Sorry, didn't check where he was born.

You have to be quite imaginative sometimes, cos I found my ggg grandmother dying in a totally unconnected place until I realised that one of her daughters was living there, nursing her dying husband. Mum went to help and ended up in the local graveyard with her son-in-law.

Margaret

Hi Moody Blue yes I have looked at those deaths and hsve traced them back in the census I just feel so miserable at not finding the death after all this time and feel sure he could not have been buried without one

Margaret

POOLE William age58 - Abt 1830 St Saviour Southwark.1d 107 1 1888

POOLE William age58 - Abt 1833 London City.1c 9 2 1891

POOLE William John age 54 - Abt 1834 St George in the East.1c 229 2 1888

POOLE William age 56 - Abt 1834 Staines.3a 7 3 1890

I've tracked down a relative who died 20 miles out of area in 1944. She was taken to a hospital which had been sponsered by a rich family who her husband had once worked for. I can only presume that this was a chance for a second opinion or perhaps better care in her dying days due to the family connexion.

Hi Sue I looked at the William George Pooles I am afraid it is not him I found him in the 1881 census and the other William Poole I have that certificate and it is not the right person and Janet yes I have phoned all the cemeteries in the area.
thank you
Margaret

I know you have probably done this but just in case, have you contacted Enfield council to see if there is a burial for him?

http://www.enfield.gov.uk/335/index335.htm

Deaths Jun 1887 (>99%)
Pooles William George 55 Edmonton 3a 147

Deaths Mar 1888 (99%)
POOL William Brooks 55 Edmonton 3a 207

nudge

Hi Janet yes I have looked at that one and wondered also he might have died out of the district. As the others say perhaps he was not the father of Albert I do not know just that William was down as the father. Hello Astra yes that is William baptism
his father George mother Maria. this is how I know he did not tell the truth about his age but he must have died somewhere and surley there must have been a death certifcicat

Margaret

The only other possible in Edmonton I could find is

William Powell 61 1/4 1891 Edmonton 3a 236

Its at times like this I'm grateful that mine all had distinctive names otherwise I'd never have found some of their deaths when they died in hospital away from the home parish.

Have you found a baptism certificate for Albert?
Did William register his birth?

I'm wondering if William had already died by then and the child was registered with William as the 'presumed' father, because Emma had been married to him.
They were not so likely to lie to the vicar perhaps, so a baptism register might give clues to an earlier death.
The parish register of burials might offer more clues to death at an earlier date than that which you think.

Gwyn

On FreeBMD William Brooks Pool died at Edmonton 1888 age 55. Hope it is him. Irene

Hi Jonesy yes that is them in the 1881 census this them in the 1891 census 2 girls not living at home then

Emma Poole
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Haverhill, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
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Household Members: Name Age
Emma Poole 40
George Poole 9
Albert Poole 2


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the image says she is a widow and she remarried a few years later to a Thomas Williams and in the 1901 census Albert Poole is with them still as step son they were then living in Walthamstow

Margaret

Thank you for your answers William Poole died between 1888 and 1891 he lived in Edmonton Middlesex and was born Haverhill Suffolk in 1831 his fathers names was George he married in Emma Ransom in 1871 had four children Emma, born 1872 Kate born 1874 George born 1881 and Albert born 1889 I have all certificates. After he died his wife remarried and Williams youger brother was a witness and surley if he had not died his brother would not have been a witness to this marriage.

His age I don't beleive he ever told the truth about as by the only census I find him in is the 1881 he is so many years younger than thought he is in the 1841 census with his family.

It would be my dearest wish to find this death certificate as I said you would never afford to but them all.

Thank you for reading this

Margaret

Margaret

Maybe he died where you don't expect.

I have no idea of what time frame you are looking in, but two personal examples.....

My GGrandmother was born, married and lived all her life in South London. It was only because my Dad and Mum visited her in hospital (she never left that hospital...So they said) on the day they married, that I thought she died 'North' of the river.....It turned out she was transferred to a hospice/hospital in Kent so her death was registered there!!! This was in 1955.

An earlier example....

1800s, a couple who were born and married in the same small village and shown in the 1851 census there. They died 4 and 5 years later in a neighbouring registration district, both registered by a son who was living there...So they must have moved to live with him after the 1851 census.

Chris

I have exactly the same problem, my gt gt grandparents married, had 2 children, then a couple of years later gmother remarries, but I have been unable to find a death recorded for grandfather, these were poor people so divorce seems unlikely. If he didn't die and just ran away, that would be strange also, as they married, lived and remarried in the same village, someone would have known that she was still married, this was 1878, frustrating isn't it.
yvette