Genealogy Chat

Hello Everyone,

Thank you all once again for all of your help!

It is wonderful to have you all adding your opinions as after a while I find that I begin to doubt my instincts.I really value the combined research experience that you are all so generously sharing with me!

I also searched the 1861 census and saw the William Kennedy(ordinary seaman) that Evie mentioned.
I also had a feeling that he could be the one that Julia Ewins(listed as Julia Kenedy) was living with in 1871.
I don't think they were actually married and haven't found a wedding reference.

I still haven't found Julia on the 1861 census living around the Barnet area but if her son Joseph Ewins(junior) was really born in Bloomsbury in 1863 then she probably hadn't moved to the Barnet area yet.
I still havent found her on the 1861 census at all (in any district).

The Julia Ewins that Rose found on the 1901 census seems to fit in very well with "Julia Kenedy" on the 1871 census.However it adds a new element...she was born in Limerick,Ireland.
Her son Richard Ewins is listed as being born in Bloomsbury which is where my elusive Joseph Ewins(junior) is said to have been born.
I will keep an open mind!

I have to vacate the computer now...kids with homework again...but would really appreciate any input that anyone is willing to offer.

I can't thank you all enough for all your help with this.

Back tomorrow,

Paula.

does this fit in anywhere?

Births Mar 1888
EWENS Julia Pancras 1b 45

Hi Evie,Rose and Ozibird!

Thanks so much for your hard work...I'm sure I am going crosseyed trying to work out some of these census pages!

I had decided that the 1902 death entry in Barnet was probably the one I was looking for (until she started adding random husbands! ha ha)I think my Aunt in Kent is going to get the certificate.

With regards to Joseph Ewins senior...I have no date of birth and no town of birth.I assume he died before 1881 as Julia was a widow on the 1881 census(assuming it is really her of course!)He was listed as a deceased harnessmaker on the 1900 wedding certificate of his son,Joseph junior.

I also have not pinpointed the birth of Julia Ewins(nee Fitzgerald).
On the census entries she is listed as born in London or Middlesex.(once again..if they are her)
There seem to be a lot of Julia Fitzgeralds around-lots are Irish.St Giles in the Fields is apparently an Irish area.We think her husband**SORRY>>HER SON>>JUNIOR<<-was born in Bloomsbury but this is from his Army papers.Joseph junior did end up in Belfast after joining the Army but we didn't think we had an Irish connection before that.

Also I keep wondering why they ended up in Barnet.

Thanks so much for this fantastic teamwork...unfortunately my kids are home from school now and are kicking me off the computer(darn time zones...things hot up and I have to leave!)
Everything I know so far is included in this thread if that helps.

Ps. I have also had trouble finding births,deaths and possible marriages of these latest additions!
Back again tomorrow
Paula

Deaths Dec 1902
EWINS Julia 64 Barnet 3a 177

You'll notice the 1901 Rose found above is in the Barnet registration district.

Ozi.

Then there's this in 1901:

1901 England Census
about Julia Ewins
Name: Julia Ewins
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Limerick, Ireland
Civil Parish: South Mimms
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Barnet
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnet
Sub registration district: Barnet
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 246
Household Members:
Name Age
Julia Ewins 73
Richard Ewins 52 Bloomsbury

Rose

1851 England Census
Name: Robert Ewens
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Julia
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Giles in The Fields
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Occupation: Basket Maker
Registration district: St Giles
Sub registration district: St Giles South
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 286
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ewens 27
Julia Ewens 23 Ireland
Mary Ewens 2

Rose

I keep coming back to this and there's a Bloomsbury connection:

Marriages Mar 1849

Bennett Henry St Giles 1 81
Carter Hannah St Giles 1 81
**Ewins Robert St Giles 1 81
**Fitzgerald Julia St. Giles &c 1 81
Hennessy Mary St Giles &c 1 81
Patterson Mary St Giles 1 81
Rossi Andrea S. Giles &c 1 81
Smith John St Giles 1 81

Rose

I haven't paid enough attention -- how old was Joseph Sr?

Deaths Mar 1868
Ewin Joseph 45 Whitechapel 1c 247

I think you're right about the not-married bit, Paula.

(Just dropping in because I'm probably the only one still awake!)

If you search at FreeBMD for

marriages
surname KEN*Y (the name may likely have been KENNEDY with two "n"s)
given name WILLIAM
spouse's given name JUL*
1850-1881 (firing wide)

there isn't one to Julia Ewins or anything like -- but there also isn't one that would be a good match for that couple otherwise.

Did you look for that couple in 1861?

Unfortunately I can't identify William Kenedy in 1861 -- too many with similar birth details, but none born in Hadley specifically -- but I might suspect this William Kennedy:

Name: William Kennedy
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Ordinary Seaman
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England

(I love censuses. Timothy Leary was also on board!)


No sign of that Richard or Robert with mother Jul* in 1861, either ... and no Richard Ew* birth anywhere around those times in Middlesex ... but there is this:

Births Mar 1857
Ewens Robert Bethnal Gn 1c 258

Hi Victoria,

Thanks so much for your input...have started searching already!

Something else I just noticed on the 1871 census page.....the Bunyon family(who Julia is living with on the 1881 census as Julia Ewens age 41 widow) are at the bottom of the page.
They were her neighbours.

I'm beginnig to think that Julia and William Kenedy may not have married as she is called Julia Ewens widow 10 years later and is alone again.

Thanks
Paula

Well Paula, guess you need to look for Joseph Ewins death and a marriage between Julia Ewins and William Kenedy.

If I was looking for Joseph's death I would start around the time the last Ewins child was conceived or when you last had a definite 'sighting' of Joseph.

Looking for the marriage to William, I would start at the time of the census and work backwards since they hadn't any children at that stage!

Happy searching

Victoria

Hello all,

Whilst I was searching for Julia Ewins(mother or daughter) on the 1871 census I came across a curious entry and would love someone else to have a look if possible.

I am unsure how to enter this information from Ancestry so I hope I do it correctly.

Name: Julia Kenedy
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Chipping Barnet
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Barnet
Sub registration district: Barnet
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members:
Name Age
William Kenedy 32
Julia Kenedy 33
Richard Ewings 15
Robert Ewings 12

Could this perhaps be the Julia Ewins(senior) that I am looking for?

I was struck by her occupation listed as flowermaker because I was told that the Julia Ewins I am seeking "sold flowers".

I am thinking that perhaps her husband(Joseph Ewins senior) could have died and her son Joseph Ewins is away at boarding school.Perhaps her daughter,Julia, is living/working elsewhere.She also has two sons with the surname Ewings.
I know this is all speculation-I am thinking out loud!

What do you think?

Thanks so much for any input.
Paula.

Hi Sylvia,

Thanks so much for your useful advice-I will have a go at putting it to good use now!

Fingers crossed that I can move forward!

I am beginning to wonder where the Ewins family are hiding....themselves and all of their paperwork/records.

Thanks again
Paula.

Paula


you can search on forename only, but you need to add some other information to it so that you can reduce the number of Julia's that pop up!!


Julia <<<<<<<<<<<<< this could be mother or daughter
birth year +/- 5
birth county
and/or county of residence and place

If above Julia is daughter, put Julia in mother box


Use the wild card symbol * ....... eg, Jul* just in case it got mispelled. There have to be at least 3 letters before the *. I almost never type out either fore- or sur-name in full, "just in case"


You could try searching on the place alone, under place of residence put Hertf* in county and Barn* in place

I often leave off the place of residence or place of birth, just using county ........ because a) the name of the village or town etc is likely to be mispelled, or the ancestors change their mind!

I also use the wild card * a lot even for the county. For example, you can often find both Leicester and Leicestershire, or Yorks and Yorkshire, so using the * after the first 3 or 4 letters covers all eventualities.

I've never been particularly successful looking for occupation ...... 'cos it has to be put down eactly as it says on the census, and that's what you don't know!



Hope this helps



sylvia

Hello all,

I have Ancestry but am still not sure if I am using it effectively.

Does anyone know if I can do a search of the 1871 census (East Barnet in Hertfordshire)looking for anyone with the christian name of Julia because the surname could be transcribed incorrectly?

I am looking for a mother and daughter both called Julia.(correct surname Ewins -the mother has appeared as Ewens and Hewins.Hewins was transcribed as Hearns.)

I have the mother on the 1891 and 1881 census but can't find her or her daughter anywhere else.

Also...is it possible to search Ancestry effectively using an occupation reference.The Joseph Ewins(senior) that I am looking for was a harnessmaker.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Paula.

A big thank you to everyone who is helping me to trace these elusive relatives!!!
Your input has been so valuable and it is very much appreciated.

Any thoughts,hunches,tips etc are most welcome :)

Thanks so much,
Paula.

Hi Sylvia,

Thanks for your input.

As you say the information on the death certificate is open to the interpretation of who is supplying the information and cannot be relied upon to be totally accurate!
I really am open to any possibilities at this point in time and am keeping an open mind!!
I am discovering that throughout time many things that people have been told are quite different to may have what actually happened.

Thanks for your help.

Paula.

Paula


Just one point

..................... there can be much inaccuracy on an Englsih death certificate, not sure of an Irish one.


First, the only information that you can sure of:-

date of death
place of death
cause of death
name of doctor or coroner
name of informant
address of informant
relationship of informant to deceased


All other information is hearsay ............... what the deceased told the informant (no matter whether that is wife, child or other person), so all the following may be wrong

forename(s) of deceased
surname of deceased
age of deceased/birth year of deceased
any "spouse of ....." information
occupation or previous occupation of deceased


In other words, the most important information we are looking for might be wrong!



sylvia

Hello Selena,Potty and Rose,

Thank you so much for yor help with this.I really appreciate it.

That entry on the 1891 census certainly seems to be the Julia I was looking for...she seems to be almost next door to where she was on the 1881 census.That is a brilliant find....thanks so much!

Thank you for clearing up the 1858 marriage of Julia Fitzgerald to the mystery groom.I can now resume my search for her marriage knowing that it isn't that entry.

I have looked at my copy of Joseph Ewins(junior) wedding certificate from 1900(to Emma Singleton).The witnesses are Mary Boland and John McManus.I would think that they are possibly people he met once he moved to Northern Ireland as that wedding took place in Lisburn.

My Aunt in Kent rang me last night and supplied answers to a few more questions.
Joseph Ewins(junior) was said to have had a sister who was also named Julia.Julia was said to have married a Mr Jones(why can't I have more unusual names Ha Ha!) and they were said to have had a son called Richard Jones.This Richard Jones moved to Perth in Western Australia and became a farmer.My Mum remembers family talk of "Uncle Dickie the tobacco farmer".

With regards to Joseph Juniors age-my Aunt said she has posted me copies of his death certificate and a photo of his grave.She told me he died in 1945-I had previously thought it was in 1948.

She says the ages don't add up,his death cerficate says he was 75(b.1870) and his grave says he was 82(b.1863)I(I will confirm this when I see the copies myself).I too thought that with him being in boarding school and then the Army that his ages could have been changed or recorded incorrectly.

I don't think that Julia was a single parent but I am not ruling anything out!
I did wonder if perhaps Joseph Ewins(senior) was much older than Julia or perhaps was married before.

Once again thank you all so much for taking an interest and helping me with this.
You are all stars!!

Thank you,
Paula.

Just a couple of thoughts - Is Joseph's age consistent on all the documents?

Could he have added a couple of years to his age to join the army?

Could Julia have been a single parent?