Genealogy Chat

I would be very grateful if someone could do a look-up for me on the USA MilitaryList - WW1 Draft Registration Cards 1917-1918.

Using my UK Ancestry sub, I have found that a Herbert Edwin Hooper is listed there.
born 1889 England. Address: California.

I would like to know the details from this entry, if anyone here could help.

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Herbert Edwin Hooper
Name: Herbert Edwin Hooper
1245 Stevenson Ave
City: Pasadena
County: Los Angeles
State: California
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1890
Race: White
Roll: 1531272
DraftBoard: 1
Nearest Relative: Mary Ann Hooper Queens Terrace, Weston Super Mare.

Rose

Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918
about Herbert Edwin Hooper
Name: Herbert Edwin Hooper
RESIDENCE: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1890
Birth Location: Bristol, England
Relative: Mary Ann Hooper
Relationship: Mother
Regiment Number: 523971
May 5th 1916

Rose

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Herbert Hooper
Name: Herbert Hooper
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Date of Arrival: 15 Sep 1914
Vessel: Royal George
Search Ship Database: View the 'Royal George' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Avonmouth, England
Roll: T-4813

Rose

That's curious, isn't it? He was drafted in America but enlisted in Canada?

Herbert Edwin Hooper
Street: 1245 Stevenson Avenue
City: Pasadena
County: Los Angelos
State: California
Born: April 21, 1890
Occupation: Student
Nearest Relative: Mary Ann Hooper (mother)

I have the image saved and will send it to you if you'd like...just pm with your email address.

Judy

Would this be his death in California? Birth year is out 1 year.
Herbert E. Hooper, born 21 April 1889, died 5 March 1963, Los Angeles.

There is additional info. here:

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1058825

Rose

Hi Rose

Many thanks for your information. You have already helped me with this family, back in July 08, hence the link above.

Following that post I did actually manage to contact a living member of the family in the US 1930 census - Raymond B Hooper, who is now 85!

He told me that his father Herbert Edwin Hooper had served in WW1 in the Canadian army - which your post 22.43 confirms. But he knows little about his father's early life in the US/Canada.

I was then surprised by finding that he had completed a Draft Registration while living in the USA.

Now you have posted that information, I have realised that I have it, but did not know that it was for the US Services. I thought that it was for his registration as an Alien.

It seems to me that Herbert must have wandered about somewhat. From what you have told me, I think that:

He arrived in Canada from the UK in 1914.

He joined the Canadian Army for WW1 in 1916. [I learned from Raymond that he was invalided out when gassed]

He must have returned to Canada from Europe and passed into the US and completed a Draft Registration card there in Pasadena in 1918 .

Then he returned to Canada to marry a Canadian girl Amelia Brett in 1920 & had 2 children there.

Then he moved to California and had 3 more children there.

Quite a start to his life!

David

To Judy

Many thanks for your kind offer. As I stated to Rose, I have that image but thought that it for something else.

To Margaret

Thank you also. That certainly is Herbert's death registration. Whoever registered his death got his age wrong by 1 year. A common error, I believe.

I have just confirmed from my records that he was born in 1890 so I was also wrong in my OP.

David

Looks like it was 1889:

Births Jun 1889
Hooper Herbert Edwin Barton R. 6a 153

Rose

Do you have his marriage?

GROOM'S LAST NAME: HOOPER
GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES: HERBERT EDWIN
BRIDE'S LAST NAME: BRETT
BRIDE'S GIVEN NAMES: AMELIA ADELAIDE DATE OF MARRIAGE: 25/12/1919
PLACE OF MARRIAGE: SPRINGFIELD
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1919,070106
REGISTRATION DATE:

Possibly Adelaide in 1911?

Selkirk, Manitoba

Brett William M Head M Mar 1856 55
Brett Elizebeth F Wife M Mar 1855 56
Brett Herman M Son S Oct 1887 23
Brett Newton M Son S Jul 1889 21
***Brett Adelaide F Daughter S May 1891 20
Brett Tena Violet F Daughter S Mar 1893 18
Brett Lillian F F Daughter S Mar 1893 18
Brett Wesley M Son S Nov 1894 16

Parents and oldest child born Ontario, others Manitoba.

Amelia Adelaide's birth:

LAST NAME: BRETT
FIRST NAME: AMELIA ADELAIDE
DATE OF BIRTH: 10/05/1891
PLACE OF BIRTH: R.M. OF SPRINGFIELD SEX: FEMALE
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1891,005982
REGISTRATION DATE:

And her death?

Adelaide Hooper born 05/10/1891, died 04/18/1963, Los Angeles, age 71. Mother's maiden name Scott.

(American month/day/year. Canadian day/month/year.)

I don't know when to stop!
The Brett family in 1901:
Selkirk, Manitoba

Brett William M Head M Mar 9 1856 45

Brett Elizibeth F Wife M Mar 20 1855 46

Brett Annie F Daughter S Sep 5 1879 21

Brett Norman M Son S Aug 2 1881 19

Brett Edgar M Son S Mar 19 1883 18

Brett William H M Son S Oct 22 1886 14

Brett Newton P M Son S Aug 14 1889 11

***Brett Amelia A F Daughter S May 10 1891 9

Brett Ena V F Daughter S Mar 12 1894 7

Brett Lillian F F Daughter S Mar 12 1894 7

Brett Arthur W M Son S Nov 14 1895 5

Parents and first 4 children born Ontario, others Manitoba.

Rose & Margaret

Many thanks for the wealth of new information. Raymond will be amazed at all this.

Ref DOB. Yes, I was wrong/confused about that. I note that I had originally recorded 1889 at Barton Regis - then mysteriously changed it to 1890.

I'm still a little confused about that US WW1 Draft registration Card. At the time he registered in 1918, Herbert.had served in the Canadian Army and was discharged unfit. But maybe the law in the US required all men between certain ages to register for the Draft in case they were required. His 'unfitness' is not recorded there, is it?

I also cannot figure out how he made his financial way between leaving school at 14 and his marriage in 1920 as a Student and later a Preacher. Not much money there to raise a family.

Maybe the E & W 1911 census, about to be released here, will shed a little light on his early years in Bristol.

David

David, I just had a look at his attestation papers to see what it said re: his occupation. It just said minister.
A little more info:
His address in Winnipeg was 817 Simcoe St, Winnipeg.
His mother, Mary Ann's address was 1 Queen's Parade Western Supermare, Somerset.

Thank you for that

David