Genealogy Chat

Hi Kevin

There was a thread on here earlier asking about van gaurds, can't seem to find it now, but it was to do with the railways. There was a cart at the back of the train that contained mail and it was overseen by a van guard!

If you do a search you should be able to fidn it

Ancestry have got a fourteen day free trial on at the moment, better than spending money on credits
Pat

Hello again Kevin,
according to
http://www.census1891.com/occupations

Carman is listed as someone who drove a vehicle used to transport goods.
Pat.

My girlfriends fathers abit of a rail enthusiast and seems to remember underground drivers being called carmen.. and the van guards again he thinks is associated with the underground, will have to look into that.

Cheers for the help

Kev x

First thing I thought of about "labler" - could it be something like sticking labels on jars, bottles, boxes etc? A car man could be another name for a hansom cab driver, I suppose, or maybe a trolley car/trolley bus driver - I think those were a bit like buses and trams today.

Not sure about a van guard - something on the railways perhaps? Or, as you say, the underground.

This would probably make more sense, same thing may have happened with the age, the last number is right, they may have miss read a 2 for 3, etc.

Just wondering if theres an area on this community explaing some of the job on the census records, for example what is a Labler? i ahve a Van guard and carman also, im guessing those are to do with the underground.

kev x

Is it possible somebody misread or misheard Bermondsey for Birmingham (or the other way round)? Only, if the household schedule was filled in by somebody with scruffy handwriting, when the enumerators came to write it up again they may have had trouble interpreting it and thought she must have meant Bermondsey because it's nearer to where they were living.

Because, as I understand it, the image we see on Ancestry etc is not what the householder filled in - it's a big form that all the details from the individual forms were copied on to.

Yea little confusing. looks like we have two different sarahs, but the family matches, johns occupation and dob match up, aswell as louise his daughter. The only problem is he has a son, also named john who works with his father also as a potter.

will have to put some credits on and do some searhing

cheers for the help

kev x

Just realised that John's wife Sarah on the 1881 census gives her birthplace as Birmingham but the birthplace for Sarah on the 1901 census is Bermondsey. Perhaps they ARE two different Sarahs.

Kath. x

Perhaps the John Kisser marriage I found in 1899 was John the son.

Kath. x

William Nickerfield is a boarder with the family. It gives Carrie as a daughter (but don't know why she's been left until after the boarder).

Kath. x

came through but is a little blurry, not sure why... could you tel me what the relationship carry kirser was to the family aswel as william nickerfield?

thank you so much much for helping me out, this side of the family hasnt been tought to crack

Kevin
Not sure if that has gone through properly
Let me know
Of to make tea now, if there is anything else pm me and I will probably be back on later
Pat

that would be great thank you Pat

Kev x

He could have married two Sarah's or the age on one census could be wrong,
If you want me to send you the page pm me as you did with Kathleen

Pat

ah great, thank you so much

Must mean the marriage on freebmd must be a different person then as it says they were married.

strange tho, shes 10 years younger than him in this census, but only 1 year on 1901, hmmmm... matches him tho, will check this out...

kev x

1881 England Census 1881 England Census
Name: John Kisser
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 40 Duke St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Potter (Earthre Manuf)

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Kisser 37
Sarah Kisser 27
John Kisser 6
Esther Kisser 4
Louise Kisser 8months
Ann Smith 49
Sarah Kisser 11
Maria Kisser 9

Think this is them
Pat

Will look into that, see if i can find john (great great great grandfather) on earlier census..

Thank you for all the help Kath

Kev x

Sarah could be John's second wife and not the mother of Henry.
(just a thought)
Pat.