Genealogy Chat

Thank you so much Mike, would you know if Leicester RO keep tailor apprentice records, my John Gough was apprentice tailor in 1851 and died a master tailor.

Sylvia

Hi Mike

Wondering whether you can help - looking for a marriage of Joseph Robert Horsley, brides name unknown, sometime between 1890 and 1895.

Their first child Emily Sarah Elizabeth Horsley was born in 1895, followed by Joseph Horsley in 1897 and then by John Henry Horsley 1900 - all these births were registered in the Loughborough registration district.

Joseph Robert Horsley married for a second time in Sep Qtr 1904 to Emma Hurst. Presuming that his first wife had passed away sometime between 1900 and 1904.

Have found a Joseph Horsley as a Soldier, born Leicester in the 1901 census, unable to find any of his children and indeed his first wife (name unknown) for the same census.

Hoping that you can help.

Sorry Mike, just re-read you thread title and see that it is Leicester and not Leicestershire that you can help with.

Lynne

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Greeting’s & Welcome…….. Lynne.

NO….. we take on anything to do with BOTH City & County of Leicestershire.
Beverly could not get the Shire bit in on the title due to limited amount of letters allowed……..

RIGHT…….

MARRIAGE :~

September Quarter 1894..
Joseph Horsley ~
Either :~ Kate Chapman. / Margaret Isabella Morris / Elizabeth Stanyard.
Loughborough.

So to be sure the way is to order the marriage certificate
Sept Qrt. 1894.
No’, 7a 228.
And just quote Joseph’s name

But if you can wait a bit I ‘ll have a look to see if I can find the Church registers
Next time I’m at the Records Office this week and report back on here for you

I’ve found Joseph on the 1891 Census
RG. 12. / 2514.. 50. / Page. 17…Keyword……… = Schofield
Loughborough
No’. 20 “ The Rushes “
Elizabeth Schofield. Head. Mar. 55. Lodging house keeper. b Loughborough.
JOSEPH HORSLEY. Single. Son. 22.( b c 1869 ). Boatman….Bar-gee b Ditto.
John Horsley. Single. Son.18.Gen. Labourer. b….. Ditto.
John Schofield. Single.12. Boatman’s assistant. Bar-gee. b Ditto.

Plus 11 other Lodgers within the household.

Doing back to the names on the Marriage ....
I could find Kate Chapman on the 1891 Census
RG 2516./ 29. / Page. 5.
Just round the corner on Swan Street
“ The Green Man Public House. “
Aged. 22.( b c 1869) Maid servant domestic b Shepshed.

Down the Road from The Rushes ......

Elizabeth Stanyard
RG 12. / 2515. / Page. 41.
Loughborough.
No’. 35.Russell Street.

Joseph Stanyard. Head. Mar. 58. F.W.K. Cotton….b Loughborough.
Ann. Wife.57. b Nottingham.
Sarah Ann Dau. 25. F.W.K. Cotton. b Loughborough.
ELIZABETH. Dau. 22. ( b c 1869) ….. Ditto…. b Ditto.
Eliza. Dau. 20. Ditto…b Ditto.
Mary. Dau. 14. Hosiery Factory Hand. b Ditto.

BURIALS FOUND……. TO DATE :~

LOUGHBOROUGH CIVIC CEMETERY

Burial Reg. No. 15047.
Joseph Robert Horsley.
Abode. Loughborough.
16th. August. 1913.
Aged. 44. ( b c 1869 )

Burial Reg. No’. 18558.
Elizabeth Horsley.
Abode. Loughborough.
12th. September. 1924
Aged. 54. ( b c 1870 )

SHEPSHED CEMETERY.

Kate Horsley.
17th. June. 1917.
Aged. 19. ( b c 1899 )

NO Burial details found for a Margaret Isabella Horsley
Plenty Horsley burials within Loughborough

So. It seems a bit complicated I think until I See that Marriage Certificate ……


MIKE.

Thank You Mike for taking the time to look this up.

And thank you for the 1891 census, I was having problems finding the family in 1891, so this has helped.

Await any other info that you can find.

Thanks again

Lynne

hi mike

can you look up a marriage plz

sarah e taylor of oadby b 1880 to a herbert davice(davis) they married 1904 oadby?? i trying to find out where herbert davice was from he didnt stay around all that long in oadby he may have gone to america he desserted sarah but dont know when

many thanks

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PART TWO. ……

Greeting’s again. .........Lynne.

Right. ……Joseph Married ......Kate Chapman.
.
Fiche No’. D E 2601. / 4...... second of five fiches……
Marriage Registers read thus :~

Page 63.

All Saints Parish Church.
Loughborough.

Entry No’. 125….Dated 9th. July. 1884.

Joseph Horsley. 24. Bachelor. Burg-ee ( Boatman.)
Abode…..No’ 20 The Rushes. Loughborough.
Father. :~ Joseph Horsley. Labourer.

Kate Chapman. 23. Spinster.
Abode. …The Infirmary Baxter-gate. Loughborough..
Father. :~ John Chapman. Labourer.

Married in this Church By :~ Superintendent Registrar’s Certificate.
By Me :~ A. Altburne. Curate.

Both signed the Register in their own signatures.
In the Presence of :~
James Lumby. Elizabeth Foster.

Superintendent Registrar’s Certificate.:~

This is the third method by which you could get married……..
Usually issued to Nonconformists when they wish to marry in a Church.
Which is not their usual place of worship.

Or .... ...
That one of the Party is not of the faith of the Church where the marriage is performed. …….So need the Registrar to sit in and hear the Banns read on behalf of the Nonconformist

Or …..

They were not prepared to wait the three weeks for the Banns to be read.
They just went to the Registrar’s Office paid the fee
And signed a Affidavit to state that there was no reason
or impediment why they could not marry……..

The registrar then satisfied…….Gave them the Certificate.
Which they took to the Minister of the Church in which they wished to be married in………usually within three days.

I did try to see if I could find a Baptism for those Children which you posted
But sorry to say I drew a blank in all the three main Churches in Loughborough at the time…….

But from experience I find that Boatman usually wait till they have a few to be Baptised and then have a multi Baptism
which could well be several years AFTER their births & usually where they are moored for the Winter months. ……

So. …… I’ll keep my eyes open.

MIKE……..

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Greeting’s again. ….. Dewdrop.

Sorry I could not see this marriage in St: Peter’s Parish Church Oadby registers……

I also had a look at several Churches which were close to Oadby but again drew a Blank….

So to save time I suggest you order the Certificate
Using the Ref. No’s shown on the G.R.O. registers

March Qrt. 1904.
Herbert DAVICE ~ SARAH ELLEN TAYLOR.
LEICESTER DISTRICT.
No’. 7 a 252.
Order it in the Name of Sarah then you’ll get the right one.

Plus you need to find out from the lists of people who went to the U.S.A
For the dates Herbert went " Walkies ".....

MIKE……..

Hi Mike,

Thank you so much for the current info.

Lynne

hi mike have you found anything on a sophia everett or a sophia dennis i think there are 3 messages on here asking for help i am sorry if i seam a bit rude and i am greatfull for any help you have given my sister and myself but we have heard nothing thank you lorraine

Hi Mike,

I hoping that you can help me again!

Harry Hall born Jun Qtr 1894 at Whitwick, Leicestershire registered at Ashby de la Zouch vol 7a page 112.

Harry married Mary Ann Horsley in Sep Qtr 1914, registered in Loughbro' district vol 7a page 329.

My trouble is that two Harry Hall's born at a similar time are showing in the 1901 census, one as the son of George and Sarah Hall and the other as the Grandson of Abel and Sarah Hall - would it be possible to check to see if fathers name is shown on the marriage?

Thanks in advance, once again

Lynne

hi mike

thanks for the info and advice

Greeting’s again. Lorraine.

Sorry but this what happens when several people are asking for the same
In formation on the same person.

I have rechecked my rough Records Office look up notes
( Yes I do keep them….Sad or what ? )

In reply to a post by Sharon….( 19th. Oct. 08. 12.31.pm.)
Re Sophia Everitt ~ Thomas Dennis Marriage and Birth of either
I posted my finding’s 24th.Oct.08…….Late evening.
From my rough record office notes dated 23.0ct.08.

I have checked out that page on this thread ( Page No’. 2. )
and it would appear that after I had reread my post I altered a date that was wrong. & I must have clicked the delete button.........
It was a simple adjustment so I did not re read it again plus it was late.
That’s why there is a deleted post on this page……..SORRY……

Anyway this is what I did find out for Sophia Everatt events in Hinckley :~

Fiche No’. D E 1135. / 18. 3 of 3 fiches.

MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI 1791.:~

St Mary’s Parish Church. Hinckley.

Thomas Dennis.~ Sophia Everatt.
BOTH of this Parish.

Married in this Church This Twenty-Ninth Day of January
One Thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety One.
By Banns By Me :~ Robert Gallaway. Vicar.
Thomas signed by his signature
Sophia by her Mark = X
In the presence of :~
Thomas Wallis.
N. Smith. ( Parish Clark.)

It looks like some thing happened to Thomas
And we get this :~

Sophia’s second Marriage. ?

Fiche No’. D E 1135. / 16……. 5th. of 5 fiches.
St: Mary’s parish Church. Hinckley.
Page No’. 251.

MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI :~ 1812.

John Humphries. Of the parish of Portsmouth in the County of Hampshire.

Sophia Dennis of this Parish.

Married in this Church This Eleventh Day of February
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twelve .
By Banns By Me :~ H. E. Holland. Curate.

Both signed the Registers by their Marks
John = X Sophia = +

In the presence of :~

Ann Drought. By her Mark = +
N. Smith. ( Parish Clark. )

Then this event ?

Fiche No’. D E 1135./ 10. 5th fiche of Five.
St: Mary’s Parish Church. Hinckley
Page No’. 243.
BAPTISMS 1825 :~

Entry No’. 1938.Dated 30th. August.
Sophia. Baseborn Daughter of Sophia Dennis.
Hinckley.
Frame Work Knitter.
N. Browne. Vicar.


Hope this helps some how although be it not very much
& I apologise for my lack for not rechecking my post on the night in question.

MIKE.

hi mike thank you so much for the info it will help and i am sorry if i sounded rude and please keep up the good work you do help people very much thanks once again lorraine

hi mike was there any children for sophia and john and i think sophia dennis [nee everatt ] had a daughter ann abt 1792 could you please have a look to see if a ann dennis married a someone dought as there is a witness ann dought and when you have time would you see if you have a george selby born nottingham [mansfield ] who married someone you did find one that married a sophia merrick in 1841 but george had been married before hope you dont mind me asking all the best lorraine

Greeting's again Lorraine.

After 1/2. a day searching my PC files .........
The below is the message I sent to Sharon :~ .14.09.08.

QUOTE ......

Greeting’s….. Sharon.

To assure you I’m working on all your inquiries.
Details I’ve gathered up to date :~

MARRIAGE :~

Fiche D E. 1135. / 15. 3rd. of 5 fiches.

St. Mary’s Parish Church. Hinckley.

MARRIAGES ANNO DOMINI :~ 1790.~ 91.

Thomas Dennis. Of this Parish.
Sophia Everitt. Of the said same Parish.

Married in this Church by Banns
This Twenty third Day of January.
One Thousand Seven Hundred and Ninety One.
By Me :~ H. Galloway. Vicar.

Thomas signed by own signature.
Sophia by her Mark ….+

In the Presence of :~
Thomas Wallis. P. N. Smith. ( Parish Clark )

BAPTISMS ANNO DOMINI :~ 1792.
Ann. Daughter of Thomas & Sophia Dennis….Bapt…28th. Feb. H. Galloway. Vicar.

NO Sophia Baptisms found with Parents Thomas & Sophia Dennis early 1800’s
In Hinckley. …….Sorry.

Then we get :~

St.Mary’s Parish Church Hinckley.
Fiche D E 1135. / 10. 5th of 5 fiches.

BAPTISMS ANNO DOMINI :~ 1825.
Page. 243.
Entry No’ 1938.
30th. August.
Sophia. BASEBORN Daughter of Sophia Dennis.
Hinckley.
Frame Work Knitter.
N. Browne. Curate.

Then we get :~
St. MARGARET’S PARISH CHURCH LEICESTER.
BAPTISMS :~ 1828.
Entry NO’ 845.
Dec, 3rd.
William. ILLEGITIMATE Son of Sophia Dennis.
Belgrave – Gate Leicester.
F.W.K.
R. Cutton. Curate.

Then we get :~

MARRIAGE :~
Fiche No. D E 1135. / 15. 1 of 2 fiches.
St. Mary’s Parish Church. Hinckley.

Page.39.
Entry No’ 115.

Thomas Merrick. Of this Parish.
Sophia Dennis. Of this Parish.

Married in this Church by Banns
This Fourteenth Day of December.
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty.

By Me :~ N. Browne. Vicar.

Both signed the Register by their Marks X times two.

In the Presence of :~
P. Onion. Tho’s Orton. ( Parish Clark.)


Then we get the Census returns :~
1841. Taken Sunday 6th June. …….

George Street.

William Selby Head. 45. Frame Work Knitter.
Sophia. 30.
Sophia. 1.
George Merrick. 8.
Thomas Merrick. 5.
William Dennis. 12.



Then we get the Marriage I posted 1st Sept. for
George Selby ~ Sophia Merrick 18th, October 1841.
Both of George Street.

Then we get 1851. Census return
Nottingham.
No’ 25. Kingston St.

George Selby. Head. 58. F.W.K. b Mansfield. Notts.
Sophia. Wife. 44. b Hinckley Leicestershire.
John Ditto. Son.8. b Notts.
Sophia Ditto. Dau. 11. b Leicester Hinckley.
Timothy. Son. 5. b Notts.
Solomon. Son. b Notts.
George Merrick. 18. b Hinckley.

So…..you see more twists & turns than a corkscrew.

MIKE.

Un quote ....

Monday. 23.02.09.

My second whiz around my database files today.......
unfortunately has no further information to post

I think we came to the conclusion that William was a relation to George and was staying with Sophia.on the night of the Census whilst Geoge was away on business .....?

Below is George & Sophia's marriage

PLUS a few Drought Marriages I found

Entry No.220, OCT 18th, 1841, after Banns
George Selby, Full Age, Widower. Frame Work knitter Of George St,
Son. Of John Selby, Frame Work Knitter.

Sophia Merrick, Full Age, Widow. Frame Work Knitter, Of George St,
Daughter. Of Thos. Dennis, Shoe Maker
Wits: George Iliffe, Charlotte Iliffe

Re Dought / Drought Marriages none found in the County 1800 ~ 37.

But the two below are from St: Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.
With interesting wit’s names ?
Entry No.142, Dec 24,th 1837, After Banns
Joseph Wright, Full Age, Bachelor. Glazier, Of Belgrave Gate,
Son Of Joseph Wright, Tailor

Elizabeth Drought, Minor, Spinster. Of Belgrave Gate,
Daughter Of John Drought, Frame Work Knitter.
Wits: Thomas Myers, ANN DROUGHT.

And the other one :~
Entry No.37, JAN 30th, 1851, After Banns
HENRY DROUGHT, 25, Widower. Turner, Of Carrington St,
Son. Of John Drought, Time Keeper

Sarah Jordan, 25, Spinster. Of Carrington St, Daughter. Of John Jordan, Carpenter
Wits: Thomas Dunn, Ann Garner.,

hi mike thank you very very much for the info i will now get it all wrote down and see what i can make of it one last thing then i will leave you alone [till i find something else ] is there a marriage for a ann dennis thanks again lorraine

hi mike
thankyou so much for the information
best wishes and thanks again sharon

Greeting's again Lorraine ....

I repeat :~

Monday. 23.02.09.

My second whiz around my database files today.......
unfortunately has no further information to post ....

MIKE.

hi mike sorry about asking you again when you had already said [bad day] anyway found another one if you will have a look for me a elizabeth ann cousins born abt 1845 leicestershire father cornelius thank you once again for the info you have already done for me all the best lorraine

Greeting’s again. …… Lorraine

I’m not sure what event you require for Elizabeth Ann Cousins
There you Go……

1851. Census returns HO 107 / 288 / 401 / 32.
Leicester.
St Margaret’s Parish.
No’. 3, Yeoman’s Square.
Cornelius Cousins Head M Aged.41 M Bobbin Turner Ham Portsmouth
Ann Cousins Wife M Aged.38 F Nott Nottingham
Cornelius Cousins Son U Aged.19 M Bobbin Turner Nott Nottingham
Henry Cousins Son U Aged.16 M Bobbin Turner Nott Nottingham
Ann Cousins Dau Aged.14 F Bobbin Polisher Nott Nottingham
James Cousins Son Aged.10 M Glover Nott Nottingham
Elizabeth Cousins Dau Aged.5 F Bobbin Presser Lei Smgt
William Cousins Son Aged.1 M Lei Smgt

Smgt = St: Margaret’s Parish.

Cornelius Cousins Jnr’s Marriage :~
St. Margaret’s Parish Church. Leicester.

Entry No.312, AUG 11th., 1857, On Superintendent Registrar's Certificate
Cornelius Cousins, 24, Bach. Wood Turner, Of Lower Church Gate,
Son. Of Cornelius Cousins, Wood Turner
Anne Matilda Smith, 21, Spinster. Of Lower Church Gate,
Daughter. Of John Smith, Dyer
Wits: William Warburton, Carey Warburton.

1861. Census returns RG. 9. 2451. / 31. / Page. 22.
Nottinghamshire.
Snenton.
Hermit Square
Cornelius Cousins Head Head.Mar Aged.50 M Wood Bobbin Turner Ham Portsmouth
Ann Cousins Wife Aged.48 F Nott Nottingham
Elizabeth Cousins Dau Aged .15 F Cap Maker Lei
William Cousins Son Aged.10 M Lei
Cornelius Cousins Son Head.Mar Aged.29 M Wood Bobbin Turner Lei Leicester.
Annie Cousins Sons Wife. Aged.24 F Bobbin Polisher Lei Leicester.
Henry Cousins Son 10 Months M Bobbin Turner Lei Leicester

NO Cousins Baptisms found with Parents Cornelius & Ann

Explanation of Superindent Registrar's Certificate. :~

Superintendent Registrar’s Certificate.:~

This is the third method by which you could get married……..
Usually issued to Nonconformists when they wish to marry in a Church.
Which is not their usual place of worship.

Or .... ...
That one of the Party is not of the faith of the Church where the marriage is performed. …….So need the Registrar to sit in and hear the Banns read on behalf of the Nonconformist

Or …..

They were not prepared to wait the three weeks for the Banns to be read.
They just went to the Registrar’s Office paid the fee
And signed a Affidavit to state that there was no reason
or impediment why they could not marry……..

The registrar then satisfied…….Gave them the Certificate.
Which they took to the Minister of the Church in which they wished to be married in………usually within three days.


MIKE