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I have my grandfather's birth certificate and it lists his father as George Albert Raymond and mother as Emma Mary Ann Raymond, formerly Frost - 1910.

So I tracked back and found the marriage of George Albert Raymond and Emma Frost in 1898.

Problem is - on the birth certificate it looks like Emma Mary Ann - and on the marriage certificate it looks like Emma Helena.

I can't find them on the 1901 census.

Thanks

What area?

this marraige reg has Emma selina for more confusion lol

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Edward Frank Islington 1b 500
FROST Emma Selina Islington 1b 500
Hoare Maud Mary Islington 1b 500
Raymond George Albert Islington 1b 500

Actually it might well say Emma Selina. I think I had read it as Emma Helena.

The area is Islington.

So do you think they are two completely different people?

So if my grandfather's mother was called Emma Mary Ann Frost - do I have the wrong marriage certificate?

what is the ocupation onof his father on birth cert

On marriage certificate it is carpet layer -and on birth certificate it is carpet planner. Surely too much of a coincidence?

sorry another question what was his age at marraige

George was 20

Ask away if it helps

this is his possible birth


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1877 (>99%)
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Raymond George Albert Holborn 1b 707

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It's the wife I'm confused about.

But thanks for that - it will come in useful further along.

this is him and he is a carpet planner just looking at the wife


1901 England Census
about George Reymond
Name: George Reymond
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 65
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members: Name Age
Elvy Reymond 10 months
Emma Reymond 24
George Reymond 28


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Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 169; Folio: 80; Page: 39.

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1901 England Census
about Emma Reymond
Name: Emma Reymond
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Tollesbury, Essex, England



there is a bit of an age gap between the census and the marraige cert

Am I trying to be too accurate? If he was 20 at the time of his marriage in 1898, wouldn't have have been born in 1878, not 1873. (I am still pretty new at this)

It sounds like I will never really know why this person has 2 different middle names, but at least I have a first name.

Very much appreciate your time and interest

yes he would of been abouts thats why i said there is an age gap even though he is a carpet planner

Thanks for all your help.
Allison

This looks like Emma with her parents


1891 England Census
about Emma M Frost
Name: Emma M Frost
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Tollesbury, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Tollesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
Town: Tollesbury
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: Tollesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Frost 35
Ellen I Frost 10
Emma M Frost 12
Fredk W Frost 5
Henry Frost 37
Henry A G Frost 8
Oscar O Frost 2

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1881 England Census
about Emma M. Frost
Name: Emma M. Frost
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Tollesbury, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Tollesbury
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Sisters Yard
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Maldon
Sub registration district: Tollesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Ellen Frost 25
Emma M. Frost 2
Henry Frost 27
Nellie I. Frost



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1778; Folio: 30; Page: 3; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341429

this is her birth reg Tollesbury is in the district of MaLdon


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Emma Mary A Frost
Name: Emma Mary A Frost
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Maldon (1837-1972)
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 342 (click to see others on page)

I have had a good look round and have not found an Emma Selina Frost even had a look at the marraige reg scan but its a typed version , i can only say that i think who ever typed from the original scan may of mistranscibed it and i think the one above is the correct one.

good luck

tracy

I think you must be right - just seemed so odd to get such a different name on the two certificates. I am going with the Emma Mary Ann and really appreciate all that work.
Thanks
Alli