Genealogy Chat

HI Derek it is Gilbert born 1747. May seem a silly question but how far back to parish records go ? I have collected all info from this thread so I will now use other one from now on.

Hi LA.....do you have a birthdate for this mystery Gilbert?? becasue i have been through the Repton Baptisms with a fine tooth comb.........my own feeling is that perhaps we have already found him...........

Let me know when you have no further use for this Thread..then I will close it and delete it

Derek.

Hi Red..........the information you gave me of a wedding etc of Logdens at Bakewell......is almost impossible to trace without further information........I found the records of Bakewell for the dates you gave.........unfortunately no such marriage took place at Bakewell..nor do the family of Longden or Longdon appear anywehre in those records.

The problem is that although events such as births marriages and Deaths may have been registered at Bakewell..which in fact a Registration area..as well as being a Parish......such events will have taken place in any of many close by Parishes..and will appear in those Parish records.many of them i have, but it will be a helluva job to go through them..particularly as most og them only go to 1860...fpr a marriage in 1946 or biths 1922..you can order the Certificates........

I can't really help any further.

Derek.

Good idea to stick to one thread it is less confusing, I will make sure I have all info off this one and then if I need anything else I will use other thread. I would dearly love to know who Gilberts parents were but I don't see that happening so I think I may have to lay him to rest on this thread LOL.
I am feeling much better now thanks though still far from 100%

Hi LA.....I think, on balance the Meakins and the Meashams are two different families......I remember giving you a Measham from the Parish Records and it states "signed Measom"..or was it the other way round??? I think Masom, Measam, Measham are the same.......and it was definitley a Measham who married Mary Meakin...........I believe he married twice...and your "missing Gilbert" is in fact him........

I went to Matlock on Friday and gave the Meashams one final going over,,,if there were another Gilbert I'd have found him.......and, by the by..I had a look at the Meashams on the modern Disc.....1864.1953..and have noted Meashams........will send you details later......the last Measham born at Repton had three children baptised on the same day.......

Hope you're feeling better.

Am thinking of closing this Thread, because I think its on the wrong Board, and doesn't get a lot of traffic.You and i appear to have it to ourselves. It used to be very popular, but now I think I'll stick to my Derbyshire parish Records thread..what thinkest thou????

Derek.

HI Derek, just reading through the Repton School records . Now do you think Gilbert Meakin is Measham the one that married Mary Meakin then Mary Parker??? A little more investigation could be needed here ,is there any trace of a Richard Meakin or was he one of the many Richard Meashams??? What are your thoughts on this

HI Derek, sorry I had not replied but I have been poorly again with a severe chest infection. Antibiotics are doing the job so be back in full fettle soon LOL.

Very interesting reading I agree. I am working on trying to link this bloomin family together but now near to giving up you will be relieved to know LOL. My second cousin (a Measham) is very interested in the information that is coming over too. Thanks for your hard work I do appreciate it and as for the scotch for every illegitimate child you find I must owe you several cases LOL.

LA..you're ignoring me!!!.have had a good look at the Repton School Records............I think you'll find them disappointing .......
I think the school began in an egalitarian way..but as it grew....became more an more elitist...........just looking at the people who went there and then went on to be very important and famous is very illuminating.......however.here are the Meashams of Repton School......

William Measham 1675..John 1675 and Thomas 1676..all sons of William measham..a weaver..

Thomas measom and John Measom 1714 born 1705 and 1707 respectively..sons of Thomas measom Labourer......


Gilbert Meakin son of Richard 1776

John Measham b22.04.1791 son of Samuel and Mary entered the School Nov 1800

Richard Measham born 21.04.1827 was at repton August 1837 to June 1846.........son of GEORGE MEASHAM who married Rebecca Ann.(or Ann Rebecca) WARD 23.03.1826

Richard became a cambridge BA 1850 and became a Royal navy Chaplain.....he died 26.06.1897

Rbert george measham b 22.01.1839 was at Repton School 1850-1855..son of Robert.died 12.10.1879

It was this Robert Measham who married into the Mugliston family..marrying Hannah Mugliston 21.07.1834........the Muglistons were one of the posh git families of Repton........

None of this may be of any relevance to you..but..its a great social document..

Derek.

Hi Gooner..........I have checked that matlock hold various records about the measham family Title Deeds..1275-1702..which might be beyond our scope.......but I do , or will have, access to the Repton School Records....and if you're very good I might send them to you next week if you send me your Emaill on PM...........as for thje oiks..the great unwashed of Repton..or elsewhere for that matter........as an ex schoolteacher i can tell you that the oiks didn't actually get educated till about 1860..in Ragged Schools or later in Board Schools.........they went upo chimneys at the age of eight or worked in factories at the age of ten..etc..etc.....poor little.b....................s

Derek.

Had you going there Derek LOL.

Seriously can you take a look at the school records for Repton for the details of those Meashams on the log. Also I would like to know where the ' common little oiks would have attended please.

LA ..one last time!!!!!! lol

Thanks Derek, yes I am well on the mend now . I will no doubt have something for you at Matlock. Dare I mention the name Mea***m LOL

Hi LA..hope you're feeling better....if you have any specific queries for Matlock for week beginning 21st June..hurl them at me..
Regards to the rest of the Nutters..

Derek.

Just popped in to say morning Derek. Still sifting through loads of notes for the dreaded lot !! LOL

Red..can't get to matlock till week beginning 21st June...when i have a week off work.

Derek.

Hi Red..sorry i missed you,,and also sorry becasue the Bakewell Parish records only go as far as 1860........the more modern records are still usually held by the Church..and not passed on to records office's till they choose.......There may be a disc including your dates..but I rather doubt it..I am going to Matlock Records Office within the next week, and I'll check for you.

All the best

Derek.

Thank you
Please could we correspond by email?
I had a detailed reply to you - and lost it!
There is more that I would like to send in attachment.

Janet

Hello janet.......this is not easy....George Allsop is a very common name in Derbyshire...plus the variation of Allsop Allsop Alsop seems to be very arbitrary...........however...here is what i have got.

I have been unable to find his birth/baptism..in spite of having the Belper/Duffield records......two possibilities....either he was not baptised of he was Non-Conformist.

1841 census has him in the same household as HANNAH ALLSOP born 1796..who might be his widowed mother..or who might be an unmarried daughter of his grandfather JOSEPH ALLSOP born 1765..I do know that Joseph's parents were Thomas and Martha Allsop.

George had a sister Sarah born 1826

I have the full Bakewell Parish Records.and therefore can tell you everything you need to know about ALLICE TURNER the wife of George..

Allice was baptised 22.10.1823 daughter of Joseph and Phoebe who were married 06.01.1814

Joseph turner was born 24.10/1792 son of Geroge and marfy.

Phoebe his wife was born Phoebe Summer

All this occurred at Bakewell..1871 Census has GEORGE ALLSOP a farmer..and one of his children was Thomas Allsop 22.08.1851 to 17.06.1927

thay's all i have for the moment.

All the best

Derek.

George Allsop/Alsop b Abt 1827
M 1849 Duffield
Residence
1841 CENS - Mount Pleasant Belper
1849 MAR C - Belper
1851 CENS - New Street Bakewell
1851 Son's BIR C - Bakewell
1874 son's MAR C - Bakewell
1881 CENS - Bath Street Bakewell age 51 [born 1830?]
Occupation: 1841 CENS Belper Cotton Labourer
1849 MAR C Labourer
1851 CENS Bakewell labourer of New St (b Belper)
1851 son's BIR C - Labourer
1874 son's MAR C - farmer
1881 CENS - farmer of 20 acres
Please can you help find his birth/bapt?
Thank you Janet
Not sure I can find you again -

Thanks for looking Derek.