Genealogy Chat

That's great, thanks.

You could well be right about that William Parkinson - I was wondering who he was. I haven't searched for him on the censuses yet, but that'll be the next step.

I seem to be related to all the Parkinsons in the Sawley/Wilne area, many of whom moved to Quorn, so if you ever come across any baptisms or burials for them I should be interested.

However, a lot of them converted to the Baptist religion towards the end of the c18th, so they may not be in the PRs.

Thanks again,
Mary

Hi Mary..just flying a kite here....if it fits in with anything you know..well and good...if not.ignore it

T think William Parkinson who maried mary Ward in 1814....is still around in 1861..living in Duffield.a widower..living with his married daughter Mary (Goodall) and her three children.
It seems that mary parkinson married a Goodall from
Manchester..had three children then moved back to derbyshire..presumably to be with her 74 year old father..In 1861 she is 46..which fits......

Derek

Hi mary..yes i did mean Anne..sorry..and the Thomas Parkinson was a widower...no age or occupation.....

Derek

Sorry to bother you again, but I'm just going through the list to see who's who, and I have a couple of questions.

13.02.1798 Thomas P.(of Quorn Leics) m Elizabeth Jowet

I have two Thomas Parkinsons from Quorn. Would I be right in guessing that this Thomas was a widower, aged about 37? I don't suppose it gives his occupation?

24.05.1756 William P. m Anne Thompson
(William was 27 and married the 18 year old Elizabeth with her parenst consent)

Did you mean 18 year old Anne?

Mary

That's brilliant, Derek, thanks very much indeed.

Mary

Hi Spiral..thwnks for the complimenst..I'm now about to let you down!!
I don't thiml William Wilkinson was born in South Wingfield!!..the only William 1824 was the son of John and Grace.
Clearly no the right one becasue your William.who married into the very "active" Altons, was indeed the son of Isaac..but no mother mentioned...
So isaac was also born elswhere..I'll have to nose around a bit for you.

Can't help you much with Belper without going to the matlock tecords office..cos I don't think asnyone has transcribed the registers.

More later.

derek

Hi mary..I do have the Wilne Marriages..not many Parkinsons, but here goes:-

17.12.1718 Joseph P. m Anne Theobald
02.05.1719 Edward p. m Elen Bowers
21.12.1727 William P. m Anne Jowett
09.02.1729John P. m Sarah Thompson
13.02.1798 Thomas P.(of Quorn Leics) m Elizabeth Jowet


Sawley Weddings:

27.07.1728 Edward P. m Sarah Briggs
27.10.1753 Joseph P. m Elizabeth Elson
24.05.1756 William P. m Anne Thompson
(William was 27 and married the 18 year old Anne with her parents' consent)
10.03.1793 Joseph P. m Mary Bates
12.02.1798 John P. m Elizabeth Goff
30.05.1814 William P. m Mary Ward

That's it..will try and find some burials for you.

Derek

Derek
Sorry to cheeky and ask again, but I enjoyed your last message so much I wondered if you can work your magic yet again.

A couple of other Derbyshire Dilema's I have are

1, Mother of William Wilkinson born abt 1824 in South Wingfield, his marriage cert says his father is Isaac Wilkinson, Isaac says he is born in Ticknall abt 1800. Williams wife is Elizabeth Alton, (yes the famous Alton's you very kindly found for me who appear to have needed several shotguns to get them up the aisle in 1819!).

The census reports show his mother as Elizabeth ??????, (all these Lizzie's- why couldn't they be more imaginative with names!). They appear to have several children William 1826, Mary 1828, Lydia 1831, John 1833, Henry 1837, Jane 1841, George 1845 and finally they call it a day in 1846 with Edward- like you say no telly in those days! Given the quite large gaps inbetween some of the children I do wonder if there is more than one Elizabeth, wife of Isaac. IGI has a record of an Isaac Wilkinson marrying in 1837, now whether this is the same Elizabeth that produces all his children I don't know. Any info would be good.

2. Also I have been tearing my hair out (don't worry thankfully I still have plenty!), On a Mary Anne Wass born abt 1843 in Belper. There is a registered birth in 1843 and two others in Ashbourne, I have bought all the certs, but none of them have Samuel as the father. Her marriage to Frederick Cooper shows her father as Samuel Wass and the census reports back this up. Now several good people on GR have Wass's in their trees, sadly none of the information is certified, some of the trees I have been allowed to view are like tangled balls of wool, with children all mixed up, wrong fathers/mothers etc. A few trees have Mary Anne's mother as Eizabeth Garratt / Garrett. Again there is an IGI extracted record of this marriage but its about 6 years before the birth of their first child, which given how the rest of my family seem to have produced children at an alarming rate, with or without getting married first , strikes me as a little odd. The other children for info are John born abt 1841, Eliza 1847, Joseph 1848, Susannah 1850 (dies 1853), Samuel 1853 and William 1856 (hoorah no Elizabeth's in this lot). I do plan to get the births of the other children to see what they show, but that wont really prove that Mary Anne's mother is the same as all the others (and typically hers is the one birth record that seems elusive). They all appear to live in Chapel Hollow, Belper and may have been Methodists.

No rush on these Derek, whenever you get 5 mins. I'm off to take my Mum to hospital to visit my Dad. He's the reason I started all this family tree lark in the first place, he is terminally ill and we want his funeral speech to be the longest and most interesting one we have ever heard, they are normally far to short and boring aren't they. You certainly gave us all a good giggle with the Alton's (just what we needed) who knows what we will find with these.

Thanks again Derek, you really are wonderful person.

Spiral

Thanks, Derek - I was hoping for a burial, but the marriages might come in useful too.

If you happen to have a disc that allows you to copy-paste in a few seconds, I should be interested in all Sawley/Wilne marriages with the surname Parkinson.

If not, don't worry about it, but perhaps you could see if you can find a marriage for a William Parkinson of Sawley between about 1745 and 1760. Don't know his wife's name (possibly Mary), but they had several children, starting in 1760-61.

Thanks very much,
Mary

Mary...Corection..I have the Sawley marriages between 1656-1837..woulod they help??

Derek

Hi Mary.I'm afraid i don't have anything for Sawley

Sorry

Derek

Hi Derek,

Do you have PRs or Baptist records for Sawley by any chance?

(I've seen the Castle Donington Baptist records online which have some Sawley births and deaths, but they don't include everyone I'm looking for.)

Mary

Hi Spiral..glad you enjoyed my message..anything else you need to know..just shout.

Derek

I know Derek, it doesn't make sense they are driving me round the bend. Her husband was born in Wales according to the 1871 USA census. Think I will leave them be for now Derek as it is getting so complicated.

Wendy

Hi Wendy..so how was William born in Derby 1859?? and Robert joseph in 1861 Bakewell??
Merthyr Tydfil is South Wales!

Derek

Derek

Sorry for not responding sooner- husband wanted to go christmas shopping, so took the opportunity when it was offered!

Well............. I laughed my head of at your remarks!, very pregnant indeed!!!!!!!!!, she was damn lucky she didn't have the baby at the altar during the service by the sounds of it- it would have saved coming back a few weeks later for the baptism.

I can't thank you enough for that, not only have you provided me with more information than I actually expected, but given me a good laugh to boot.

Your a marvellous man Derek, keep up the good work!

Many many thanks
Spiral

Just found the marriage between Ruth Slack and Robert Roberts in Merthyr Tydfill in 1860 so the transciption in the 1861 census should be Slack and not Hack, two garndchildren are Slack which was what gave me the clue.

Wendy

Hi Wendy..Barker was a mistake and i chanjged it to Roberts.....Have you any idea of Ruth's maiden name??

Derek

Hi Derek thanks for replying, you have put Ruth Barker in your reply I hope this was an error as it is Ruth Roberts.

I have what I think is Ruth in 1861 living with Joseph and Ruth Hack in Derby. Joseph born 1803 and Ruth 1803. Joseph in Middleton and Ruth in Bakewell. It states Ruth born 1837 is married but no husband is with her on 1861.

I dont have access to 1851 so have not tried to find Ruth on there.

Someone has found Ruth and the family in USA for me in 1870 and Ruth's husband is Robert Roberts. Having said that some of the children born in USA do not appear on the cenus in 1871 with Ruth and Robert!!

I'm already grey but by the time I have sorted them out I will have torn out all my hair i think.

In anticipation that you find something else for me.

Wendy

Hi Wendy....on` the 1881 Census we have Ruth Ann Roberts(widow) and nine children.....the last of which was born 1876....in America!!
In fact Helena 1869. Mary hanna 1871. Catherine 1874 and Emma 1876 were all born in America.
So Ruth Ann Roberts does not appear on census records until 1881.
There are four children as you say born between 1859 and 1866..and becasue she was in America before 1871, the only census they would appear on is 1861..and they don't, at least not yet!
Ruth was born 1839 "Mortsworth"..which does not exist and is clearly a mistranscription..probably of Wirksworth.
It seems fairly clear that Roberts
is her married name, and her husband died after 1876 either in America or on the way back or shortly thereafter..certainly before 1881

Her marriage prior to 1859?? might have been in the derby area....and I have no idea of how to find it..

I'll press on with this for you for a while..you have any other ideas??

Derek