Genealogy Chat

Thanks Derek, I also had Francis 1793 and George 1794 christened Tideswell but with no mother named.

It would seem to be the correct William from his age on census records but there is nothing online to indicate a George born in Hope. If you get to the records office.......

You have already been so helpful.

Margaret

Hi Margaret..ok here's what I have........
George Needham ( of Hope) married Rebecca Drable at Eyam 30.08.1791
They had four children..all at Tideswell
WILLIAM 17.07.1796
Robert 13.05.1798
Samuel 30.12.1804
Peter 30.04.1806

Notice that the Eyam marriage gives George from Hope..not Beeley.

I only have partial records for Hope.....so your later enquiries I need to answer by a visit ot matlock.........

Any good?

Derek

Derek

I didn't ask about a George and Mary. I did ask a lot more, sorry.

Margaret

Thankyou so much for your help with this one Derek, strange you're not able to find marriage for Elizabeth 1779 to Robert Gaunt,..he was baptised 1770 Longford ,most of their children were also baptised Longford,do you have any records for that area,? is it near Sutton on the Hill,? any chance they could have married there? crikes all these questions...
Gill

Hi Gill.......the children are those of Joseph Gorst and Anne.......I suppose the two names are interchangeable, but I'm not entirely happy about it...

Assuming they are interchangeable...we have four children of Joseph and Elizabeth. including Joseph 08.10.1743

He then has the children you name, but I can't find Henry....I noticed the two Joseph's 1773 and 1781.presuming the second is a replacement for the `death of the first.........NO burial for Joseph between 1773 and 1781....

Two Elizabeth's..thats fine becasue the first was baptised 17.04.1770. and fied 1773..and the second Elizabeth baptised 03.06.1779

Ann(e) wife of joseph died 18.07 1790

I have two "Elizabeth" marriages 1810 and 1812...but neither seem to be yours..

See you later

Derek

Fudgey.........Bit of a problem here.........JOSEPH bapt Mackworth 08.10.1743..son of Joseph and Elizabeth..is in fact one of a long list of GORST's............I'd say it was perhaps a mistransciption but there are large number of GORST's

On the other hand Joseph and Elizabeth Gorse had three children
Elizabeth 03.03.1733
Katherine 05.06.1737
Ellen 16.03.1739

No mention of your later Gorse's in the Parish register for mackworth.

I'm investigating..get back to you.

Derek

Oh Derek and i think Joseph 1743,s parents were a Joseph and Elizabeth
not sure though, ,,,.as for getting old Derek, it's only a number...there's a 16 yr old in me screaming to get out!!! lol gill

Hi Derek. I'M sure i have it right this time, ...
can you please check these for me Joseph Gorse 1743.Mackworth married Anne Eaton in Sutton on the Hill,but children were all baptised in Mackworth, can you check them for me?
Henry 1766
Elizabeth 1770
catherine 1771
Joseph 1773
William 1775
Elizabeth 1779
Joseph 1781 I think it was Elizabeth 1779 who married Robert Gaunt in
in 1796 Sutton on the Hill , had daughter Hannah Gaunt ,1809,same hannah married John Askew 1806 at St Alkmund in1837, and they as you know are the parents of Prudence Askew . if you could just check the Gorse's thankyou gill

Hi Margaret..having trouble with your request......can't find George and mary at Tideswell...............

Derek

Fudge.........remind me of your Gorse family......I';m getting old!!
Derek

Hi AGAIN Derek

Now onto to the "other" Needhams. William b 1796 married Sarah Gregory 17 Nov 1817 in Hope, two children, Mary 1818 and George 1819 born Tideswell. Sarah died, he remarried Hannah Downing 22 Nov 1824 and had 7 further children with her. Mary 1818 is my ancestor. No sign of her in 1841, she married Abraham Oldfield of Macclesfield in 1847, I have a full history of her after that date.

Hannah died 1855 in Cressbrook, and I think William remarried Ann somebody before 1861, but no idea who she was. No children from that marriage. William is widowed again between 1871 and 1881. No death of Ann Needham found.

Any advice on who he married for the third time?

Only parents of William b 1796 are George Needham and Rebecca Drabble, George of Beeley, and married in Eyam. Does this tie in with your records, Derek?

I do have the Tideswell CD but it keeps zonking me out of things, sorry, hope you can help or confirm.

Margaret

Hi Derek

Do you have any records for Repton?

John WATSON was bc1817 in Repton. His father was William.

Jane PEARSON was bc1833 in Repton. Her parents were Charles PEARSON and Mary ? Charles was bc1789 and Mary bc1790.

John and Jane married 24 Apr 1853 St Martin, Birmingham

Any help on these two families greatly appreciated
Thanks
Giz

Hi Derek

I am still confused - the Chelmorton date is later than the Monyash date, so it couldn't have been his birth (unless an error of course). There is another Thomas born 1800 in Flagg, who became an Inn Keeper at Flagg and married Ellen (Skidmore) at Chelmorton in 1835, but he is not my Thomas. If his parents were also Joseph and Mary, he could account for one of these baptisms but if you can find a Flagg baptism that would stop me going down that route.

There ARE other children, two Josephs baptised 1793 and 1794 and John 1797 all at Chelmorton, no mention of them at Monyash on IGI.

I didn't miss your ref to Jesus! According to IGI Joseph's wife is Mary Dawson (was Newton just a slip or is the IGI wrong?). Yes, we believe Thomas married Margaret Hill, then Mary (not Elizabeth) Swindell (still alive in 1841), but 3rd wife was Eliza Reece married 14 Nov 1850 all at Tideswell.

The two burials are possible, but no proof.

AS usual, many thanks.

Margaret

Hi Derek
I have changed spelling because in some cases that is what happened but rest assured it's the same family!
Many Thanks for your time and patience!
Mary

Margaret.bit of info you might use..or not.
You can't find Joseph and Mary in 1841 because they` were probably dead.
I have two burials for you,which appear quite likely...

Joseph Needham b. 15.12.1834 Bakewell

Mary Needham b. 01.03.1840 Monyash

I have three possible marriages at Tideswell for Thomas:

11.12.1820 (when he would have been 20) to margaret Hill
25.12.1833 (33)..to Elizabeth Swindell
12.09.1839 (aged 39..a bit late??) to Anne Flinders.

Haven;t found Joseph's baptism..but i do know he came from Flagg..a few miles from Monyash..but he's not there.

Derek

Hello again Margaret....the information I sent you is from the original records at Matlock..Joseph and Mary's marriage at Bakewell..and the baptism of Thomas at Monyash in 1800.......Bishops transcripts record Births rather baptisms.
I have no doubt that your Thomas was born in Chelmorton..becasue his mother came from Chelmorton.
GENUKI for Chelmorton describes the village as a "Chapelry in the Parish of Bakewell"
As i said in my previous post..I suspect there must be other children of Joseph and Mary..(I notice you ignored my crack about Jesus!!lol)..because in those days there was almost always a child within a year of marriage.
I do have lots of local parish records..I'll have a look for children of Joseph and Mary..Tideswell and Taddington seem likely.

Back later

Derek

Derek

Just a PS, I agree that Needhams are prolific in the area, such that I now have extensive spreadsheets and gedcoms on the family, there are a couple of people also with online trees for Needhams, maybe we should all get together and see if we can pool all our data to produce some useful information - what do you think?

Margaret

Hi Derek

I am very partial to onions!

The two baptisms were from the IGI. The first is Jan 1800 in Monyash, it says "Parish Registers of the Chapelry of Monyash", the second is Feb 1800 in Chelmorton (did I spell it wrong? I shouldn't have done), and says "Bishops Transcripts of the Parish Church of Chelmorton", so I guessed that Chelmorton was the "main" church, but the child was actually baptised at Monyash. Joseph Needham and a Mary Dawson were married in 1792 at Bakewell.

Living only 7 miles from Buxton, I am aware of the geography but know nothing about the church "system", so will be guided by you.

I have no record of the family living in either Monyash or Chelmorton, there is no Joseph and Mary on the 1841 or later censuses, but my Thomas is living in Tideswell and states his birth as being Tideswell. You have previously checked the Tideswell baptisms and he is not there, but of course if the family moved there when he was tiny he would probably not know where he was born.

I suppose I should look at the original records at Matlock, but my previous visit was a disaster cos I didn't know what I was doing.

I have a whole other family of Needhams from the area to investigate too - another day!

Any help gratefully appreciated.

Margaret

LOL I love the title Wise Old Sage of Derbyshire...it is so apt Margaret !

Derek...as for your reply I now have visions of you as Gandalf lol !!

Sorry I couldn't resist adding here!!

Regards

Linda

Hello Mary.......your derbyshire Inkles and hardmans will have to wait,..but i await..as youi do.with baited breath.an answer to my queries on your behalf from Gretton..........
i have to find a time to go back to matlock Records office for records that i personaaly don't have...........bear with me..it will be sorted!!.p.s.are we talking INKLE..or INCKLE?? your spelling has changed!!

Derek