Genealogy Chat

Hi Linda ..trouble is that Stockport is so close to the border with derbys.....have found the two children born in Ashbourne..still looking for any badders?Baddars..if Joseph died 1861 aged 42 then he was borb 1819..not 1800!

Derek

Hi Derek..oh wise one of Derbyshire...

When you have a spare moment!!...I wonder if you could help me out yet again please..

I am looking for a birth/baptism for a Joseph Baddar/Badder b c1803 according to the census Joseph was born in Ashbourne....the only baptism I can find on IGI is a Joseph Baddar bap1800 at Saint Peter, Derby....parents Thomas Baddar and Hanah.

I do know that Joseph married Rhoda James in 1836 in Ellastone, Staffordshire and by 1841 Joseph and Rhoda were living in Ashbourne where their two youngest children were born...Emma b1838 and Mary 1841.

Through birth certs etc I found that the family had moved to Stockport, Cheshire by 1844.

Joseph died in 1861 in the Stockport Union Workhouse...his age is given as 42 however this is incorrect...it is definitely him occupation etc...also the only Badder family in Stockport !!

No rush Derek honest...

Many thanks...

Linda

Hello Derek
I am hoping that you can help me again.

I'm trying to find the parents of
Richard Holme born 1826, Wigan, a provision dealer,& labourer.
He married Ellen Moss born 1828, Wigan.

On his christening details it mentioned parents being a
Richard & Ann, no other details. Date of christening 5th nov,1826.

I have rest of details of his life, onwards. nothing else of siblings or parents.

I.m hoping you might be able to take pity on a grandma, to climb this mountain, and see the other side.
Very many thanks
Wendy

Whoops sorry Derek I somehow deleted.

Well!! I did some work on James Measham of Repton Derbys.....came back with the info..and the post has been deleted.what's going off??????

Hi my dear Derek, sleuth of Derbyshire.

Yes, I spotted Ann Flinders, but don't think she is in the equation, but there "on hold". The Thomas she married is, I think, the innkeeper from Flagg. The Bill and Lizzy Ingleby are a possibility.

I have perhaps not been using the CD properly, I notice slight differences between the database version and the excel version.

Phew!

Margaret

Hi Margaret.....I think you might have been causing yourself more grief than necessary.......It now seem to me fairly clear that the old goat married three times........
William father of the Thomas who married Ann Flinder was a carter as shown in Tideswell parish register.

The disc i have ..indee all of them...has different versions of the records....they are the same info....but differ in details...Word procesor gives you Name orders as well as date order....the CSV sets give more information about parents and their occupations or status..as well as leading to the apropriate weddings

For instance Tideswell leads to the Bakewell register to find the Marriage of Butcher Bill to Elizabeth Inglebey (both from Chelmorton!!) 03.07.1774

Ooh Derek you are making me dizzy!

Three Thomases, I can't cope with them, all with father William a butcher?

How do you know that the Thomas who marrie Ann Flinders is a carter? Is that from parish records?

Derek, I will have to let you assimilate all this as I have lost the plot.

Please let me know when you have done so, and accept that you are a star in my eyes. Thank you so much for your help.

Margaret

Hi Hetty.....I am a subscriber to Ancestry.com.which gives me access to all the census returns.. and BMD's post 1837.....I am a member of several Family history Societies...a lot of rcords are readily available on line if you know where to look..and I have purchased a very large number..over several years...

Derek.

Hello Derek,
Please let me know how you have managed to acquire Registers and

Records for your own use ? Thank you '

Hetty

ok..the Thomas who married Ann Flinders was born 1815...son of William and elizabeth..William is a Carter not a butcher..and, i suggest can be eliminated from the equation....but the three other Thomas' were all weavers with a father William the butcher......but i suggest not actually born.baptised in tideswell..I suggest these are all one Thomas..........

Derek

Ok margaret..sod the Census for a minute and lets comcentrate on the FACTs of the Parish records.......

We have four Thomas Needham marriages..in every one of them he is a weaver..and his father is William..the earlier two are before fathers were named.

it is not inconceivable that he married three times, becasue in the last three he is a widower/weaver......neither is it inconceivable that he died in Tideswell 02/11/1877 aged 75........but he was NOT born in Tideswell (so why not monyash?)

You've got the facts, so lets put them in order and then you can examine my suggestion that MAYBE there was only the one Thomas.

Thomas (a weaver) married Margaret hill 11.12.1820..she died 12.07.1833....They had five children..of which one..Marianne b 1825 died aged 16weeks

He didn't waste too much time marying Mary Swindell..marrying her 25.12.1833 (she died 21.08.1842) and they had two children Elizabeth 07.11.1834 and Ruth Swindell 16.01.1837

I think he married Eliza Reece (14.11.1850) and had no children with her.....


Trouble is you also have an Ann Flinders who married a weaver Thomas Needham 12.09.1839....No death for Ann..Thomas' father was William a carter..

I have a birth refernce for both of these people.

Get back to you
Derek

Margaret.the map says Flagg is right in the middle of a circle of....Monyash Sheldon Ashford in the Water great Longstone and Taddington..all of which PRs i have............and on the west..Chelmorton..which I'll have by Tuesday.
Tideswell is north of Taddington..and Great Hucklow and Foolow are half way to Eyam.
We have a possible thomas needham at Great Hucklow/ Foolow.
I will go all throug evry one of these Prs in the next few days. But to go back to your original enquiry..Chelmorton might answer a lot.

Derek

Hi margaret...I'm very determined!..The first thing is that Flagg IS Tideswell, as in a village in the Parish of Tideswell..so there is no confusion there.

More later.

Derek

Hi Derek,

It is all very messy and as you say, nothing is guaranteed. The following is a combination of evidence and intelligent guesswork. All in Tideswell.

Your last post says in 1851 Thomas born Flagg is living with Eliza, the census says Tideswell. According to me the Thomas born Flagg goes on to be an innkeeper all his life.

The story starts with Eleanor Ann Brightmore born 1880, father James, mother Mary nee Needham (cert). Marriage cert 1876 gives Mary's father as Edward and her age as 24.

In 1871, Mary age 19 is living with Edward (48) and wife Ann. But she is stated as a niece (2 other girls are daughters).

Birth cert 27/2/1852 shows mother Sarah Needham, no father.

Sarah Needham (spinster) married James Fearn in 1860. In 1861 they, 3 kids and "wife's daughter" Mary Needham age 9 are together. Sarah died in 1863, which might explain why Mary was packed off to "uncle" Edward.

No sign of Sarah aged 24 in 1851, tried various spellings.

In 1841, Sarah 14 is with father Thomas 35, Mary 35, Thomas 10, Elizabeth 6 and Ruth 4. Mary (nee Swindell) is Thomas's second wife, married 25/12/1833, mother of two youngest kids. Thomas's first wife is Margaret Hill, children Edward (b 1813 - living a few doors away in 1841, married to Mary in 1851 - he is supposedly Mary's "uncle"), Marianne (died 3 months), Sarah, Thomas, and William (died 3 days).

That's all we know of Sarah. Buried with the Fearn family in the churchyard.

Back to Thomas, marriage to first wife Margaret gives no father, neither does marriage to Mary Swindell. Mary dies in 1842 (I think).

Here is where it gets fuzzier. In 1851 Thomas is married to Eliza, with children Elizabeth and Ruth (Mary Swindell's kids). There is a marriage in Nov 1850 to Eliza Reece. The parish records CD states his father as William, a butcher. Now I daren't question the reliability of the CD! There IS a butcher William, wife Elizabeth, but their son Thomas is baptised 1815, with several other children (possibly same family, father is a butcher on two of the baptisms) baptised between 1811 and 1831, all at Tideswell. I originally thought "my" Thomas might simply have been baptised as an adult, but there is a Thomas age 25 at Town End in 1841, Pot Market in 1851, Back Lane 1861 - and he isn't married to Eliza.

If you can fathom all the above - good on yer! But I'm beginning to think "my" Thomas was never baptised.

Best wishes

Margaret

Rachie...did you read my addition..I edited my message to include the info you wanted........though Staffordshire is outside my range

Derek

Thank you anyway was worth a go.
Many thanks
Rachie

I'm sorry Rachie..most Parish records..Baptisms at least..come to a halt 1837 or shortly thereafter..when Census records take over.
Your only hope is FreeBmd..I'll have a look on Ancestry for you..but no promises

ADDITION:.....Ada Ethel House birth registered 3rd Quarter 1904.. UTTOXETER Staffordshire Folio 6b Page 395.


Good luck

Derek

Hi, could you see if a Ada Ethel House was born in Derbyshire and or baptised there too ? poss born sept 1904. Many thanks
Rachie

so frustrated i'm going to get a big stick.....poke my tortoises......and wake them up!.......HA .HA. ...... forgot to thank you Derek, THANKYOU. gill