Genealogy Chat

Hi again Derek, Just had a look on freebmd. I have 2 deaths for Gilbert Measham one is 1858 and one is 1860. Have you any way of looking up details for these please .

EDIT>>>> Thomas Horatio was I believe born to Gilbert(born 1814) and Mary Ann Parker. I cannot find them on 1841 census to confirm this though.

I am going to search and see if I can find another Gilbert . I thought I was old having my last one at 35 lol. Blow her luck.

Hi Gooner.......any woman in the early 19th century who has her first child at age 40......could have had her last at 53!!.........It was certainly 1833 becasue i came upon it looking for every Measham i could find..maybe a different Gilbert and mary?

HI again Derek. just a little query for you to ponder over. You gave me Thomas Horatio frederick born 1833 to Gilbert and Mary Ann. Mary Meakin gilberts wife was born in 1780 so therefore would have been 53 when she had thomas. A bit unlikely ????? What do you make of this ?

Many thanks for taking the time Derek.

Regards

Linda

lol will do Derek just off to climb my tree and see what fits in where.

I can't claim any credit for knowing your hero..co you told me! glad ot have been of help....come back to me after the replay!!

You got it right in one my hero is Csec. 5 - 0 would be a cracking result,almost as good as the information you have found for me. I will now get it fitted into tree. It was James that caused me problems as he and his family seemed to disappear into thin air.

Many thanks for you time I really do appreciate it.

La Gooner.......Cesc Fabregas fan as i remember!!

As returning office I can report that the results of the Poll at Matlcock Records office are as Follows....Matlock Town 2 Arsenal 0

or.......Family Measham.......

Gilbert and Mary Measham had the following children:

James bapt. 10.09.1820
Thomas Horatio frederick!!!! 05.01.1833
George 01.02.1824

James married a Jane something or other in 1850 and moved away to manchester

O)ther MEASHAM entries that rock your boat or fit i9nto your tree somewhere are as follows:

Geroge and Ann Rebecca Measham had Richard in 1827

Thomas and Anne Measham had:

Mary 04.01.1823
George 07.04.1828

Thomas and Catherine Measham had:

John 02.03.1821
Robert 14.04.1823

Richard and Jane Measham had:
James 04.06.1833 (married a catherine and moved to Yorkshire)
Charles 1838
William 1840

John and Anne Measham had..Eliza 29.11.1833

Gilbert and Sarah Measham had:

Frances 23.07.1820
Ann 13.10.1822
Emma 13.11.1824

at which point I packed up for the day and had a dream that Arsenal beat cardiff 5-0 in the cup replay

lots of luck

Derek

The following i have been unable to find in the records at Matlock

HANNAH SALE......In 1793 there are no records for Horsley Woodhouse...Horsley (no Woodhouse)went back further but no hannah

JOSEPH BADDER/BADDAR..no mention of him or Emma and Mary..but there are two Chuech records in Ashbourne..couldn't get to the other cos it was being used.

Melbourne 1841..No CAROLINE/CAROLINA BOSWELL

No JOHN TOMLINSON 1842-44 at belper...but did find MARY 1842 and Hannah 1843 daughters of James and Mary Tomlinson

No ELIZA MARRIOTT 1869 Alfreton

ELIZA TAGG etc Wessington..the records only start at 1854

Sorry folks..tried hard for you..I have to say that the Alfreton belper Duffield loscoe etc records could probably be found elsewhere in xlose proximity.

Derek

Fudge 1........Can now confirm the marriage of William Gaunt to Elizabeth Bate(s) Duffield 05.01.1759

derek

Margaret..just a thought.....William.father of George 1819..was from great/Little Hucklow.......there is a thomas nedham from great hucklow.......could they be related??????..cery close to Hope..etc..

Derek

Margaret..do you know..I completely forgot what you said about your friend..all this time i have been trying yo tie Thomas into your Needhams!!!
Last night i was looking for a connection for Geroge needham who married Rebecca.....Beeley.Tideswell...what was he doing at Hope?????and then marrying at eyam......
Anyway I went to matlock today cos it was bugging me..and ofcourse you're right......and the Hope connection is george needham born there in 1819..son of William and Sarah.....and sister of Mary.......
As for Thomas.i really think i have done as much as i can do..unless you know better!!
I see you're also into the oldfields..another nightmare!! and i wish your sarah gregory was part of MY gregory family cos they are a bleeding brain explosion!!
Derek x

Hi Derek

I can't find my reply to this, not in my PMs either. Apologies if repeating myself.

Thomas Needham is NOT MINE, so not in my tree. He is the relative of a friend, and I am (a) trying to help him and (b) trying to see if we are related. We are reasonably confident that he married Margaret Hill, Mary Swindell, and Eliza Reece, but the marriage to Eliza names his father as William, butcher. We did not know that when we started on the trail of Thomas born Monyash/Chelmorton, son of Joseph and Mary. But no sign of a Thomas born to William.

Back to my own tree, George Needham b 1765 in Beeley marries Rebecca Drabble in Eyam 1791 but their children are all born in Tideswell. George and siblings are sons of Charles Needham and Elizabeth Bradley, all born Beeley, Charles and Elizabeth married 18 May 1758, Bakewell (IGI). Charles was born Beeley on your birthday, his parents being Charles of Beeley and Sarah Calton, married Bakewell 19 Aug 1729. No reasonable birth for her, and the only reasonable Charles is born 1693, making him 33 at marriage.

Hope this is clearer than mud.

Margaret

Hi Derek its Mary the 1st. been looking at another branch of my tree I have a Hannah Sale born about 1793 at Horsleywood house Derbyshire could you see if you can find a baptism record for her please you probably wont find a marriage because her husband John Bullock lived in rocester staffs and thats were their children were born.
Many thanks Mary

Margaret..just to keep you posted.working my way through your tree....here are the exact dates for the children of Charles and Elizabeth..haven't found their marriage yet..but obviously in her own parish..wherever that may be:

Henry 18.02.1759
Dorothey 27.07.1760
Charles 23.05.1762
John 13.10.1763
George 17.03.1765.....................all at Beeley

Tell me...with a tree as impressive as this.....who the bleedin' 'ell is this Thomas??? do you need him?? lol

Derek

Hi Spiral...I'm afraid i have yet`to find anyone who has transcribed the belper records......actually the Duffield records cos belper is in the parish of Duffield.....

Derek

Margaret..I now have the Chelmorton Parish records....and we're going to have to do some serious thinking about your Thomas....have to find some clue as to which one you're looking for.because there is a perfectly good line for Thomas in Flagg......Joseph was a Publican/Farmer..he DID marry Mary Dawson in Bakewell 23.02.1792......and had four children including thomas 1800.......(Two Joseph's..one who di9ed two days old)
I'm thinking that the Monyash link is either a red herring...or that they registered Thomas' birth at Monyash in January 1800 at monyash.and had him baptised in Chelmorton in february. Don't forget..Mary came from Chelmorton and Joseph from Flagg
Incidentally Thomas born 1800 was buried at Chelmorton 28.08.1873 aged 73.
So is all the gumph from Tideswell..just co-incidence??? you can't have them both
Thomas married Ellen Skidmore by Licence 26.01.1835 and had six children. hew was a farmer till his father died..then..surprise surprise took over the pub!!

Derek

Hello again Derek

Can I ask do you have any records for the Belper area yet?. If so where can I find/buy them?. I have so any ancestors in that area that I don't want to impose on your good nature by giving you a huge list.

Spiral

Hi Derek...

Sorry what I meant was that the age on Joseph's death cert is incorrect....possibly because the informant was not a member of the family I thought....an attendant in the workhouse perhaps. The workhouse in Stockport also acted as an infirmary...his family were still living in the family home.

Also 3 lashes of the whip for me I omitted to say that Joseph is buried in Stockport Municipal Cemetery, although the headstone does not exist anymore, their records show that he was 58 when he died.

Having looked previously on the census there are a few Badders in Derbyshire but unfortunately I have never found a link....4 years on!! Joseph is my husband's 2x gt grandfather.

Many thanks and sorry again..

Linda