Genealogy Chat

Hi Derek, well, it is actually a burial I am looking for. James Stokes, died between 1848 and 1851, I assume in Glossop. I won't go through the whole sorry tale, I will leave it at that. His father was William Stokes, his widow was Elizabeth (Betty) and he would have been about 30 or younger when he died.

Being even more exciting, I might have a C of E priest in the family. One William Goddard, born about 1706 in Glossop. supposedly son of John Goddard, per the Glossop Parish Church Website (All Saints). He was educated at Oxford, and returned to Glossop as priest of Glossop Parish Church from 1728 to I am not sure what. I tried Crockfords Directory but their records do not go back that far, and they told me to try Matlock.

He supposedly married Elizabeth Grogat. My relative is their son Joseph born 1742, who married Sarah and they had a daughter Betty, born about 1765 who married John Ratcliffe. They in turn had a daughter Betty junior born 26 May 1804.

I am now seeing the value of what you do, i.e. visiting the records office almost weekly to look up one or two things. In contrast with my mega list of 100 relatives to find in half a day. Not possible eh?

I am aware that I am dominating your threat and there are lots of other people who need your help and who live miles away, so leave me till the end. I will get to Matlock again in a better and more organised frame of mind.

Thanks for everything

Margaret

Hi Margaret..have to go to matlock for the Glossop records.......but hit me with what you need to know and i'll start my nest list with you.

Derek

Derek

Do you have access to Glossop records?

Don't worry, I don't have such knotty problems there as the Needhams of Tideswell!

Margaret

Ok Derek, now got Thomas Horatios wifes maiden name. just off to look for his children. I will open it for you

Hi Arsenal.......open up your tree to me and i will probably be able to help you a lot.

Derek

Derek I think I am muddling my Gilberts lol. I will enter new info and get it sorted properly. Thank you so much for all that I really do appreciate it. I am probably realated to all the Meashams as they were by all counts prolific breeders.

Jonathan.i took your enquiry with me today but just didn't have time to do it justice..Bear with me.
Just letting you know I haven't ignored you.

Derek

La Gooner........Ihave Thomas Horatio Frederick Measham marrying in Derby 1869..

Now then..Gilbert and Mary lol!

Looks like Gilbert maried twice, as you hoped..Married mary 11.12.1814..they hadGilbert 1817..Henry 1818 James 1820 and George 1824.........

PLUM FINDING OF THE WEEK:- Gilber Measham (widower) married Mary Ann Parker (widow) 13.09.1831........Son Thomas horatio Frederick 1833
(It was getting late and i was cream crackered so i didn't look too far for any other children ..I suspect it was his last)

MEASHAM Burials at Repton 1825-1844:

Sarah 03.03.1825 ..forgot to note her age..
Sarah 21.09.1828 (36)
Elizabeth 09.06.1829
George 19.01.1830 (28)
George 29.09.1830 (6) looks son of Gilbert and Mary (b1824)
Charles 12.01.1835 (infant)
Dorothy (widow) 14.07.1835 (69)
Eliza 28.05.1837 (1)
William 03.06.1838 (33)
Henry 03.04.1842 (30)
Sarah 14.07.1844 (90)


If you work out how many Meashams in repton you are related to.perhaps i can find more for you..there's plenty of them!!
(EDIT..just seen your message about another marriage in market bosworth??? so he was either married three times or we have two different Gilberts in repton....
Derek

Thanks Derek, much appreciated.

EDIT>> Thomas Horatio is listed on the medical directory and Trade directory on Ancestry but be blowed if I can see him. Have you by any chance got those records. Many thanks.

Hi Gooner.....I'll look it up tomorrow for you
Derek

Hi Derek, Do you by any chance have Repton death records for years 1833 until about 1845 ? I would love to find the record of Gilbert's wife Mary Ann Measham (nee Parker) between this dates. That would prove that he was married twice and also that Gilbert and Mary Ann were the parents of Thomas Horatio Frederick . Thats quite an impressive handle isn't it LOL.

Thanks.

Hi Derek

Judith trueman born 1828 Bugsworth.

Parents John Trueman born 1806 Macclesfield & Elizabeth Mellor born 1803 Chapel en le Frith.
Marriage on familysearch 6 feb 1827 Glossop.
Any futher info would be appreaciated.

Philip Peach born 1813 Leigh, Derbys

Hannah Bennet born 1816 Buxton.
Marriage to Leigh Bowden?

John

Hi margaret..............Margaret obviously married thomas the father of her george in 1820.

Hi Derek

I am not giving up - yet! Another friend has just discovered that her Irish ancestor who came over to Leeds, and for whom we could find no marriage, was married in - Philadelphia! Never give up.

Just realised that a Margaret Hill of Tideswell had a son George Needham Hill in 1819, she a single woman. That is a new one. My Needham friend has never mentioned that (Margaret Hill was his Thomas's first wife). Off to tell him.

According to census records, my William was born in Grindlow, right next to Hucklow, living Windmill on 2 censuses. So who is the Thomas you have found there?

Proper research leaves no stone unturned! It is just proving harder than we thought.

I know nothing more about Sarah Gregory. Yes, I have Oldfields, but they are from Macclesfield area. Not worked out why Mary Needham landed in Macclesfield, but haven't abandoned the idea that her husband Abraham had relatives in Tideswell. Another minefield.

Margaret

Thanks for looking for Hannah Sale, couldnt get on computer till now (rotten kids!)

Me neither Derek. The only thing I might have found out that he was married to Mary Ann Parker in 1831 and she was born 1822 in Stanton under Bardwell (I have not been able to check out her birth nor find a death for her so far.)Then married second wife Ann Willars in 1845 in Market Bosworth,Leics that is confirmed by one of the Willars family.

Thank you for you're advice, I shall have a look. at the site.
I was not sure whether, the area would correspond with west Derby.
Many thanks
wendy

La Gooner.....I have a Gilbert and Mary Measham on the 1841 Census at Repton........no children..but that would be` expected ...21 and 17 year olds would have left home by that time........Not having a lot of lucj otherwise....#

Derek

Sox1..Hi Wendy....I think i did a bit of work for you on this.........and to be honest i don't have the resources to research Lancashire, beyond the BMD's and the Census..both of course after 1837.
Your only chance is Parish records, and the only advice i can give you is..There is a very good Online Parish Clerks website that often comes up with gems......
yours would be: http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Try it out

Derek

Hello Derek
Could you please help me on this one, I need your advice or help.
thanks.
I'm trying to find the parents of
Richard Holme born 1826, Wigan, a provision dealer,& labourer.
He married Ellen Moss born 1828, Wigan.

On his christening details it mentioned parents being a
Richard & Ann, no other details. Date of christening 5th nov,1826.
I have rest of details of his later life,but nothing else of siblings or parents

if you could help. it would be lovely.or maybe advise me, as the best place to start looking.
Many thanks
Wendy