Genealogy Chat

Hi Dereck, Nina here, yes all is as I found, Tonight I have spent more time going throu records and think that , If I am right about name spelling mix ups,Names mispelt, but dates tie up, I have reached back to ;
Francis Blackow? b 1639 d 1715, wed first to Ellen Bagshaw from Abney Grange, children Elizabeth 1670 and Francis 1671.
2nd Wife Jane , children, Ellen Mary Joseph,John,James,(mine)William and Thomas.
I hope this all makes sense, I'm excited because it has always been rumoured in my family, that we came through the Plague,and wether or not I have the correct people, I now know it for sure,Yipee.

Hi Annina..nice to hear from you........lots of fun here..depending on how accurate your research has been in getting back to Samuel and Hannah.

Fun because SAMUEL BLACKWELL married HANNAH BAGSHAW 16.02.1748..........

AND....

SAMUEL BLACKWELL married HANNAH BAGSHAW 06.01.1796 !!!!!!!

I have the complete records for EYAM........and here are the children of both couples and their baptism dates:-

marriage 16.02.1748..

ALICE 14.07.1748 (naughty parents!!)
SARAH 07.10.1751
MARY 24.10.1753
ELLEN 24.04.1756
SAMUEL 28.08.1758
ELLIN 31.08.1761
FRANCES 24.04.1764
BETTY 21.04.1770

marriage of Samuel to Hannah Bagshaw 06.01.1796..could be Samuel b 1758.in the absence of any other..but would make him 38.....could be his second marriage..I'll look around for you. However they had the following children:

THOMAS 18.02.1798
PETER 22.12.1799
ISAAC 07.05.1805
SAMUEL 24.01.1808
RUTH 30.12.1810
JAMES 08.08.1813.

Your dates may be taken either from Census entries or from IGI..ignore them..they are either guesses or estimates......my dates are baptisms from original Parish Records...........

I only deal in facts,and where i am doubtful I offer a suggestion. as in the Second Samuel marriage......and his age........

Now I'll look at marriage for you.

more later

Derek

Hello Derick,I don't want to be a pest, I am so excited that I think I may have found my Blackwell roots and wonder if you can confirm if on right track.I am up or back to Samuel Blackwell and Hannah Bagshaw m Jan 1796
Son James b 1811 wed Hannah Benison b 1813 April 1833.
Son Peter b 1833 wed Ann Lomas (Litton)b 1835 in 1858.
Daughter Hannah b 1869 wed Walter Timm b 1868.
Forgot to say all these people from Eyam up to last two who were born in Sheffield. What I would like if not too much trouble is to know if I am on right track please. So far hane certs to proove wedding of last two.

Hi again Derek, not a lot of joy I'm afraid. I had the film of Hayfield church records. Unfortunately when I got to the late 1700s most of the records were illegible. I don't know if your Matlock ones are clearer,

It was so frustrating, I am stuck now. So any help you may be able to offer will be more than gratefully received.

Margaret was a big help. I didn't realize how important knowing the geography of an area could be. So it is nice being able to "chat" to a couple of locals.

How you manage to read some of those records I will never know. But along with quite a few others I'm glad you can.

Hello Derek,

I'm off to the Mormons this afternoon, at long last some film has come in. It is Parish Records Hayfield area.. It has taken about 3 months to come in..........bet someone called Derek was sitting on them LOL.

Margaret has been a little gem. She has come up with a possibility of Robert Hall being christened 10/05/1789....at Taxal, Whaley Bridge. The parents are John Hall and Ellen. Kinder. Married 18/03/1745. Would you be able to check that out for me ?

I'm not sure what will turn up this afternoon with the Mormons. I will let you know this evening. Knowing my luck it will turn up even more questions.

Will catch you later. Cheerio.

Joan..apologies to you..I spent a very long time in Matlock Records Office but could not get to the Glossop Records cos someone else was hogging them all afternoon!!....Will definitley try again for you.

All the best

Derek

Re. Tatham

Hello Derek
Thanks again for all your work yesterday.
Benjamin put me on the wrong track by giving his place of birth as Ilkeston on all the census 41-71.
I will now have to start looking at a Yorkshire link to find William's details.
You have helped me by giving William's wife as Sarah and all the children of Ben you found match my records but I now have an exact dates.

I so much appreciate the help you give.

Best wishes

Me trouble ???? Never LOL. Thanks Derek they really are such a prolific family I don't think I'll ever sort them out. Latest ones since Grandad are very elusive to but still working at those as I would love to have contact. Fingers crossed. Thank you so much for looking for me. Best wishes.

La Gooner...Hya trouble!!..........have`spent a lot of time on your Measham today....and to be honest..finding links between them is virtually impossible .at least for me..but I'm atill on it!!

Just for a laugh here are the very earliest Meashams measomes.Measums etc in Repton....possibly very valuable if we can link back that far..

ALES MEASOME b.06.08.1595
ANN d. of JOHN MEASUM died 02.09.1632
GILBERT son of William Meason 03.11.1599
MARGARET MEASON 30.07.1579
HANNAH dau of SARAH 29.02.1650
MARY dau of GILBERT MEASON buried 12.05.1635
SARAH dau of GILBERT MEASON buried 19.03.1636

GILBERT MEASOM son of Gilbert and Sarah bapt 31.03.1649

..then I got fed up!! lol

Derek

Suddenly, about 1800.....your Taham's appear......but not William and Sarah and not Benjamin, until his marriage to Sarah Hardy 26.08.1822..son of William and Sarah................
Now then..IGI have William and Sarah as coming from Yorkshire..probably already married and probably already parents of at least Benjamin..who was CERTAINLY not baptised at Ilkeston.

My suggestion is that he came to Ilkeston to find work and then married Sarah Hardy in 1822..and began his large family.....and built up his business as a Needlemaker.

I also have David tatham and Ann Limb..but that might not be a relation....

I found some of the children of Benjamin and sdarah..but by this time I was tired enough not to find them all::

Edmund 22.11.1824....may have read the actual date wrong but 1824 is ok

I probably missed the next three becasue i wasn't looking for them but the next four were:
MARIA 27.05.1831
ELIZA 29.09.1833
HERBERT 01.11.1835
MARY 02.09.1838

I have a whole list of Tatams and Tatems prior to 1800.and can work out most of their relationships to each other..but I feel that its irrelvant.because William tatham and his son Benjamin were not born in Ilkeston.

Hope this helps.

Derek

Hi jennifer..not going to be easy because Burton on trent is in Staffordshire..not Derbyshire..........I don't have the records but I will have a look around for you.
All the best

Derek

Hello Derek
Thanks for working on this so quickly.
If it helps my Benjamin info. is............................
b.1800/01 taken from census details 1841 to 1871.. died 1879
m.1822 Sarah Hardy (died 1845) -- 8 children
m. 1850 Ann Hardy (Wid. maiden name Scattergood) -- no children
From this last marriage cert. I got Benjamin's fathers name and occupation (William Tatham deceased, Frame Work Knitter)
I can't find bap. or birth giving William as father of Benjamin and would love to know who Williams wife and other children were.
You may well have cracked it with William 1767 & Sarah and the son David would link to other Tatham Trees on Genes. But wonder if Ben was a brother of David.
It does not help that the Tatham name was spelt and misspelt different ways (Tatum, Tatam, even Latham).
Also I have an idea that some records may be nonconformist.
The family seemed to have some links to Wes. Methodist.

Do hope this helps.
Thanks so much.

Hi Creeky..........My initial enquiries come up with:-

William Tatham (1767) and Sarah (1772) .He was a framework knitter of ilkeston.

DAVID TATHAM their son (1801-1876) married ANN LIMB (25.12.1821) ..and had six chidren between 1827 and 1840.

The only BENJAMIN TATHAM i can find at the moment was also born c1800..appears to have married twice September 1850 and March 1863..and he died 1879.BUT..

I can't find him on any Census.

I will search the Ilkeston parish records for you tomorrow.and get back to you

Derek

ADDITIOIN 17.25.Have found Benjamin Tatham (Needlemaker) in pigots 1835 directory...gives me a start.

Hello Derek
Wonder if any of your records cover Ilkeston?
I am looking for any information on a William Tatham, probably born in the mid 1700s. He was the father of Benjamin Tatham b.1801 Ilkeston.
Benjamin was the founder of the Needle & Lacemaking dynasty in the town.
Thanks in advance for any help.

PS. William was a Framework Knitter

Matlock Records office this Friday....will cover as many queries as i can.

Derek

Hi Derek, I don't want to be a pest but f you get a minute can you try and find my dreaded Meashams . I know you only have limited time at Matlock so if you can't don't worry about it. Thanks.

Hi Derek, most of my tree is in notts but we have a Thomas Swift born c1787 who moved to nottingham by 1811 and raised a family there with Sarah nix married 2/6/1811. we know from the 1841 census that he was not born in nottinghamshire. We have very recently found likely parents for him in Samuel Swift and Jane wilks who were married in st modwens church burton upon trent 20/2/1786. The name wilks is significant as Thomas childern were known as 'wilks swift'
Where you can help is that there is a Thomas Swift christened 7/4/1787 in shirland derbyshire son of Samuel Swift and Jane who might be our Thomas. A Samuel Swift was christened shirland 10/2/1759 is this the one that married Jane wilks in burton upon trent? Or did Thomas Swift of Shirland stay in Derbyshire and raise a family ruling him out?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jenny

Hello again Heidi...this is an addition to my message below....As I thought, i have nothing on the Cooks in parish records..but am going to Matlock records Office this coming week..when I will have access to the full reocrds, and will report back.
You probably already know this..but here goes anyway:

Robert Cook came to Hathersage in 1811 from Studley warwicks aged 20.

He set up ROBERT COOK and Co..which surveived into the 2oth Century thought he died in 1866. The company was a producer of Stell Wire. Needles and Gill Pins among other things. In 1861 he had 100 employees of which 20 were children
In 1862 the Childrens Employment Commission heard from one 9 year old girl that she was working 6am till 7pm,and from an 11 year old boy that he often worked a 15 hour day!!

Robert Cook and Co were based at Barnfield Works in hathersage.

All the best

Derek

Hi Heidi.........My records of hathersage are limited, and haven't started searching them yet......
But I can tell you that ROBERT COOK 1791 was born at Studley in Warwickshire..and may have married AMELIA there...although Amelia was borm 1800..so she may be from Derbys..I'll check that..

But by 1851 ROBERT COOK is married to MARY (18 years younger tha him) and they are living at 28 Barnfield House at Hathersage.
He is a needle manufacturer and they have the following children:-

MARY ANN 1839
Theresa Maria 1841
Robert Charles 1842
Joseph Arnold 1844
William 1846
John Francis 1848

By 1861 he is widowed..and only Robert Charles and Joseph Arnold are living with him

He died in 1866

As I said I haven't looked in the Hathersage Parish records yet.....and what I have are Partial..and may not conatin very much.

Will be back later

Derek

Hi Derek,

I am trying to find descendants of Robert Cook married to Ameila White and later her sister Mary white. They lived in Hathersage in 1811 - , Also David Cook who married Elizabeth Greaves around the same time. And Richard George Cook. They were all involved in the needle manufacturing business in Hathersage, Derby and possibly other areas. Richard is my great-great-great grandfather. I believe one of them had a son called William Austen Cook.

Any help would be wonderful - thanks!