Genealogy Chat

Madmeg..only just got your message.....but will answer it tomorrow..promise........I'll have a look now..depends how far I get.......and there is no Scotch in the house!!

Derek

Ooh heck Derek, I feel a bottle of scotch coming on.

This is a really mega breakthrough. But I need your devoted attention to confirm my findings. This is BIG STUFF for me, solves mega searches.

Perhaps I should have PMd you but maybe the post will help others to see how convoluted connections can be.

You will be aware that I have long been trying to find a connection between one elusive Thomas Needham (relative of a Genes member) born Tideswell around 1801, married 3 times in Tideswell Church but never baptised and trying to find a connection with my family - and so far failed. The purpose was to find a connection between my friend whose grandfather is Thomas Needham of Tideswell. A descendent of Thomas Needham is Thomas Brightmore. Well, I think I have got it. But it is not through Needhams at all. And it is not to my family, but to the family of my daughter's husband-to-be next month. And it is not to Thomas Needham either.

It might be a long post cos I need to be certain, and if you can confirm things, send me your address and the scotch will be on its way, or I will deliver it in person. Some way.

This is what I have from internet sources.

Walter Royles b Bakwell Sep 1845 married Eliza Staley in Jun 1873, Sheffield, she born Sep 1845. This pair are my prospective son-in-laws ggg grandparents.

Walter Royles b Bakewell Sep 1845. His parents John Royles of Great Hucklow b 1818 and Ann Elizabeth b Tideswell c 1818., Living Sheffield 1851+

John Royles of Hucklow b 1818 m Ann Elizabeth Bramwell b Jan 1817 Tideswell.

John Royles married Anne Elizabeth Bramwell, 28/10/1839 Tideswell. His father Nicholas Royles, her father Robert Bramwell. (Even Ancestry told me that!).

His parents Nicholas and Dorothy Wragg. No further on this pair.

Back to Robert Bramwell b Tideswell. M Mary Needham B Tideswell - marriage 19/11/1816.

I hav Robert Bramwell b 1797 and Mary Bramwell b 1801 as sibilngs:

Children of Thomas Bramwell and Catherine Stevenson, married 19/5/1780
Tideswell.:

Robert 1797
Mary 1801
Thomas 1789
Elizabeth 1792
Jesse 1799

Now to move upwards:

Mary Bramwell b 1801 m Thomas Brightmore.

And believe it or not ,but Thomas Brightmore married into the Needham family, where I thought I might have a connection. But the connection seems to be through the Bramwells.

Hi Jill..i never remove anyone from my thread,you're welcome to come back at any time. It's nice to know that you and others like to read my thread, i like to make it as chatty and intersting as possible. Thank you and good luck.

Derek

Derek, I asked you for help a little while back tracing details of Harriet Todd. Well.......Derby register office have found the cert for me and it is on its way to me as I speak.!!!!!
Please remove me from your very long list of requests!! Many thanks for your advise and I will continue to read this thread........jill

Hi Derek,

Thank you for the info. That's certainly worth me looking into.

Chrissie

Chrissie..just a thought..i was visiting people in Derbyshire today..and i had time to spare..and when i ma in the middle of the dales i look at gravestones.i happened to be in Matlock and a tiny village nearby called ELTON........I found the grave of JOHN DAKIN born 1799 and alongside that of his wife SARAH............just a thought!

Derek.

Thank you for looking Derek, i would have no clue where Marys parish was, but will keep looking


Sylvia

Hi Sylvia........just had a quick look at my records...SAMUEL RODGERS Baptised 05.07.1760.son of Thomas and Mary..........but it doesn't look as if he married there......he will have married Mary in her own Pariish..I'll look..

Derek

Hi Derek,

I am hopeing you have some records for Smalley

I`m looking for the marriage of Samuel Rogers/Rodgers (b.1760) and Mary ?, first child born 1792 in Smalley

Any help appreciated and thank you for looking

Sylvia

Hi Derek,

Thank you for your reply. My John Dakin has stated in one census he was born at Langley and in others at Mickleover. You very kindly looked at the langley baptisms for me checking back as far as 1803 I believe but he wasn't listed. You then offered to check the Mickleover ones for me. From the ages in the census I thought he was born c1813 but on his death certificate in Oct 1877 his age was given as 69 so he could have been born 1808-09. Sorry if there's been some confusion.

Chris

Chrissie.what has been confusing me is the 1809 bit. is there any reason that John Dakin Mickleover 1813.ahould not be the one who married Elizabeth potts of breedn-0n-the Hill also b. 1813???
EDIT.Have since found Elizabeth Potts b Breedon 01.09.1811..and her marriage to John Dakin 17.09.1832..at breedon, which explains why i couldn't find it in Mickleover.
Any researching in leicestershire is for me somewhat li8mited.best left to someone else. There is a thread on here called "Who are we looking for in leicestershire.

All the best.

Derek

Hi Derek,

Thank you for looking but the John I asked for was born c1809, the father of the one you found.

Chrissie

Chrissie2394........sorry to keep you waiting..but i think yo'll be pleased with what I found:-

I jotted down about 20 Baptisms at Mickleover for various Dakins.

The one you want is JOHN DAKIN batised 05.07.1840..son of John and Elizabeth Dakin..and his BROTHER Thomas 02.03.1845
Didn't find thomas' marriage sorry
Derek

Hi again Hetty....post no 2..........I have been able to confirm comp0letley all that you want to know.
HORACE WALTER BRADLEY was married at Matlock..which why i couldn't find him..He was born 28.12.1861 at Dale Bank Ashover and baptised 16.08.1862....he was a Blacksmith.
He married MARY BUNTING a millhand at Matlock 12.08.1882...they had EIGHT children.and i have details of all of them. including some marriages and offspring.

Mary Bunting was the daughter of Adam Bunting and Mary Knowles married 15.09.1845 at Matlock...Mary Knowles cam from Staffordshire.

JOHN BRADLEY.. the information i gave you is correct....and i think he started as a servant..then a labourer and venually became a Publican

I also have his SEVEN children and some of their later history.

His mother was in fact called DRONFIELD..from Wingerworth.a name that was still around in 1881.....and her (Benedicta) mother;s name was also Benedicta

i believe john Bradley died 19.01.1901.

There is a whole load of confirmed data on the later bradleys......Depends on how much you want

Derek

Hi Hetty........with apologies for the delay (cricket comes first!)...you have presented me with an interesting conundrum. I have the complete ASHOVER Parish records..but none of the Bradleys you mention appear in them!!

However, and this is very strange.......most of what you want can be found on IGI..and these are genuine Extracted records.

WILLIAM BRADLEY and BENEDICTA DRANFIELD (or Dronfield) were married at Wingerworth 10.11.1834.

JOHN BRADLEY 23.06.1839 is their youngest child..but does not appear in my transcribed Parish Records..the two elder children DO appear:
Francis 30.08.1835
Sall(E)y 02.04.1837.....

JOHN BRADLEY married HARRIET BUCKLEY 27.12.1860 at Ashover
(Harriet bapt 02.01.1842 daughter of William and Anne)..again two Siblings of harriet are in my records, but not harriet !!

HORACE WALTER BRADLEY bapt..Ashover 16.03.1862..son of John and Harriet..does not appear in my PRs. nor do any other children of John and Harriet.

I can find no trace of a marriage for Horace.

Its all very strange, and i'm going to follow this up..looking for links in surrounding villages..and on Ancestry.co.uk

I love a problem..but you may be able to confirm the details i have given you.

Will be back!!

Derek

Hello Derek
Hello there, are you able to give any info. on marriages of the Bradley family, all born in Ashover, ie. Horace Walter Bradley b.1861 Householder and father of seven and John Bradley b.1839 Householder and Father of eight. John and Horace are Father and Son.

Thank you gratefully . Hetty.

Margaret.......no Scotch I'm afraid...I've looked at the original Parish Record for Mr bleedin' Needham.........nobody has missed anything out becasue he just ain't there!!
I had a word with the very helpful staff at Matlock..and they agreed with me that it's a mystery...like how can an unbaptised guy have three church weddings........seems to me you have to be baptised to be a member of the church..and to have a church wedding........
I had a look at your tree..........how did the needhams get from Beeley to Tideswell?

Large Scotch required............

Derek xx

Hi Derek,

Yes thank you they are my Thomas's parents.

Chris

Hi Margaret...........I have most of the relevant parish records.to track the Needhams from Beeley throught Bonsall into Stoney Middleton..by pasing Bakewell and Ashford in the Water..upto ERyam and across to Tideswell...Taddi9ngton and Chelmorton............and the nearest i cdan get is THOMAS NEEDHAM bapt 02.02.1800 son of Joseph and Mary....at Chelmorton.......unless some mindless idiot of a transcriber missed an entry in the original records at Tideswell..which i will find out tomorrow........Don't hold your breath.

Its midnight.........cream crackered..bed.night night

Derek

Hi Chris..are you happy that the baptism I gave you for Thomas at Mickelover give you the parents John and Elizabeth that you were looking for??

Derek