Genealogy Chat

Two more additions to my collection..Church Gresley and Kirk Langley..

Derek

Hi Emily..sorry for the delay..have looked around for you......and it seems that the hardy fanmily were around in Kegworth from at least 1650.......I only deal in facts that I can verify....but there seems to be a definite link.

I live in Nottingham,and co-incidentally work in loughborough..which means i go through Kegworth at leat five or six times a week.
You might like to know that Kegworth is in fact in North Leicestershire but has a derbyshire postcode!!

I have confirmed the travels of your Hardy's from South Normanton...into Leicesertshire and back to Eastwood and heanor...WOW...
It's too late tonioght to give you details but just letting you know i'm on the case!!

Will get back to you tomorrow.

Derek

HI

Sorry to bother you l but i am now trying to find a line of my family. i am trying to find Thomas hardy Born 1823 Kegworth, and his Wife Elizabeth born 1825 South Normanton

Moved to eastwood Notts then heanor Derbyshire i believe there 1st child was born in 1848 at eastwood, then they moved to heanor, please i hope you can help me. If what i am told by family is correct then they had around 11 children 1 of which we know died in infancy.

Thanks emily. x

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Hi Sylivia....your wish is my command!!

Derek

Thank you for looking Derek, i had tried the IGI and Freereg only goes up to 1694 for Ashbourne.

Would you mind taking a look, when you next go to the records office please.

Sylvia

Hello Sylvia....No I don't have Ashbourne Records, but i do have access to them`when I go to the records Office at Matlock......I have found the marriage of Lawrence gree to Elizabeth Melton 25.10.1825 St. Peter's...and I have looked at the Census entries, but as yet have found nothing on Elizabeth Melton..not even IGI........yet!!

Derek

Hi Derek,

Do you have any baptisms for Ashbourne Derbyshire please?

I`m looking for Elizabeth Melton born abt 1806, she married Lawrence Green in St Peters Derby 1823 and died 1888.

Every census says Ashbourne.

Thank you for any help

Sylvia

Many thanks Derek...for your time and effort.

As you say it is a nightmare I have been searching for nigh on 5 years.

On the other hand...you have found the name of Nancy's husband and a daughter...this is a wonderful breakthrough for me...thank you so much.

I had seen the marriage on IGI of John Ratcliffe and Mary Garside however I wasn't very sure it was correct as the earliest known child I found was Lydia Radcliffe b1821 Stockport.

So if I have this correct Derek... both Samuel Booth and Nancy are from Stockport so can I presume Mary was ? In the 1841 Stockport, Cheshire census... mistranscribed as Paldiffe...Mary was born out of county and in the 1861 Mary and Nancy were both born Sterndale. However in the 1851 census it says that Mary was born Stockport...at the time I did think this may have been an error.

Why do my husband's lines have to be so difficult lol...you were a great help with his prolific Tideswell Bramwell family some time ago...

Again my thanks Derek.

Linda

Hi linda.this is a nightmare..having done all i can......I have the Earl Sterndale and Kings Sterndale and buxton Parish Records...as well as the Hartington ones......and i have IGI and all the Censuses........and all I have found is that Nancy Booth's husband was undoubtedly SAMUEL BOOTH, and that they had a daughter SARAH ANN........at Sterndale. 01.10.1826......and they are both shown as from Stockport......which is of course Cheshire.
I can't find their marriage or any Sarah Ann Booth on 1841 Census.

I went through the whole of both Sterndale registers looking for a Mary and Nancy..or even a Ann or Hannah and Mary of the same family.of about 1793.1798

One possible clue is Joseph Garside.......but the dates are wrong

John ratcliffe married a Mary Garside at Stockport (St.Mary's) 08.06.1811.....

I'm looking for a Nancy Garside Samuel Booth marriage....

later

Derek

Hello Derek..

I have an ongoing problem trying to find the maiden name of 2 married sisters though I have not much to go on I'm afraid...I would really appreciate any of your genius please.

Mary Radcliffe b1793 (my husband's 3x gt grandmother) and Nancy Booth b1798...both born in Sterndale.

Mary was married to John Radcliffe/Ratcliffe b1782 Stockport, Cheshire and lived in Stockport on all census. I have no marriage for them so not sure if they married in Cheshire or Derbyshire.

Nancy in 1851 was living in Hartington Middle Quarter, Bakewell her occup states that she farmed 4 acres husband absconded. No family living with her and I cannot find her in 1841.

In 1861 Mary and Nancy are living together in Stockport.

As I say not much to go on...sorry..

Many thanks

Linda

Madmeg....Hello Margaret..don't know whether this is any good to you..BUT......

JAMES NIXON married Margaret Needham Prestbury Cheshire 01.06.1797

BETTY NIXON daughter of JAS NIXON and MARGARET baptised St.Peter's MACCLESFIELD Cheshire 04.09.1803

Still can't find any trace of him in Derbyshire...Fairfield is in the parish of HOPE,and I have that disc.........no show..sorry

Derek

Thanks for that Derek, I did know already she remarried William Bedford in 1839 (Bedford is my MaidenName even if it was originally adopted) it was Joseph's father I was interested in, and as you say Joshua Woodward was more than likely his father, in 1841 Sidney and William are in West Bromwich with a baby daughter as well as Joseph.
Because I don't know much about Joshua's death I can't seem to find anything else about him.

Thank You Very Much Derek for all your searching.
Jane

Hi Jane...............some goodies from Matlock..and some frustration.....Here goes.....

The marraige of joshua and Sidney doea not appear in the DUFFIELD records...but since Duffield included such places as Belper....I'm not surprised.........

Neither can i find his death..but it was before 1839..and probably one of the reasons she went into the Workhouse.....she gave birth to JOSEPH WOODWARD in Derby Workhouse..as a single woman..not as a widow..01.03.1837..no father is shown.......

But by 1839 she is out of the Workhouse and living at Normanton..an outskirt of Derby......and on 01.07 1839.as a widow..she marries WILLIAM BEDFORD also of Normanton.... at St. Peters Derby....on the Marriage entry Williams father is James Bedford Labourer........and Sidneys father is shown as Thomas a Framework Knitter.............which confirms my previous info that her parents were Thomas and Mary..
By 1851 she is again a widow living in St Alkmund's Derby with her 14 year old son Josepph..now Joseph Bedford..........

I suspect that Joseph IS the son of Joshua..and the loss of Joshua by death or by separation or divorce is the reason she was in the Workhouse.

A better reason for her being there is as a pregnant single woman...

In 1839 when she married William Bedford she is a Servant

I'll look for her on the 1841 Census.and at least i have some ammunition to find more about her and Joshua's parents.as well as of William Bedford.

It all took a very long time!!

Derek

Hi Derek
Just one more thing if you could, I would like to know when Joshua Woodward died he married Sidney in 1821 in Duffield, and by 1837 she was a single mother, its not much to go on but your brain might think differently to mine in the detective sense!!!
Thanks
Jane

hello derek thanks for that idid know about the name change the cousin that had a look intto it before computers said he changed his name so he could accept an inheritance

so [erhaps i.m barking up the wrong ancestor well if you can find a link ok but don.t worry too much happy drinking thanks very much sally

Hi Sally.I've been asked to do this before..with no luck....the person concerned was adamant that there was a family link when there clearly wasn't.....she went off in a huff!!

I don't know whether you know anything of the Histroy of the Nightingales but here is a lecture!! lol

Florence Nightingale's father was WILLIAM EDWARD SHORE.a most important person!!! He wasn't even a Nightingale...He was born 1794 in Sheffield......and at some point tokk over the Business of a Great Uncle called Peter Nightingale. For some reason best known to himself he changed his name to Nightingale on February 21st 1815.....

Which causes a massive proble4m for anyone trying to trace their family back to Florence.You'd be surprised how desperate some people are to prove a link.

I have access to family trees from America that specifically state that William was born in the USA..totasl lies!!!

However.another problem is that Florence never married nad had no children..but she did have an elder sister PARTHENOPE FRANCES NIGHTINGALE born 1819 who married HARRY VERNEY 18.01.1894 and had a daughter Emiy Verney

Now any present descendants of that family would have a genuine GGG(however many times!!!) Great Aunt....or cousin...Florence Nightingale..

Your Ann NIghtingale born Ilkeston 1805 was born 15 years before Florence, and I'm afraid is VERY unlikely to have any link to Florence.

The only possible link would be back to the Great Uncle of William Shore .i.e Peter Nightingale..but I've been there befroe and its a nightmare!!

I presume you're aware that Florence and her sister were born in italy??

I'll keep looking Sally, but I think "putting the fairy tale to bed" is probably the sensible thing to doAll the best

ADDITION 1615 Tuesday.........Ok.....Another problem we have is that the Nightingale family were only in derbyshire for a very short time from 1823........then they moved south to hampshire and to the West end of london!!

Peter Nightingale had no children..so that's a dead end...His sister Ann is the Great Aunt of Florence, having married a geroge Evans who's sister Mary married Edward Shore senior.........
Florence had no children and her sister married Sir Harry Verney in Hampshire..........unlikely to yield any way back..

TYhe only other link is back into the SHORE family.....

The sister of WILLIAM EDWARD SHORE NIghtingale) married a Samuel Smith.She was `called Mary Shore and anyone finding a way back to her would find her to be Florence Nightingale's AUNT..as in her father's sister. Clealry such present day descendants do exist..but not in Derbyshire.

So i think you are,as they say, paddling up the wrong creek....

Unless anyone can find fault with my reasoning!! would be glad to hear from them!!

Derek

hello derek thanks you loverly fellow
sally

Hi Sally..God i could get soooooooooo drunk!!.I'll do my best............to help you.not get drunk!!

Derek.

hello deriek i am hopeing that you may be able tohelp me proove a family story that florance nightingale was my gt gt gt grandmother.s cousin or put this myth to bed

my gt gt gt granddad thomas fulwood 1804 born ilkeston married nancy or ann nightingale born c 1805 ilkeston they had a daughter martha born 1825

who married william purdy born 1821 selston notts
no hurry just when you can fit it in 10 bottles of scotch on offer for you to enjoy me and my many cousina would be so gratefull sally

I'm going to Matlock Records Office this Thursday or Friday.....any more problems you need haelp with????

Derek