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of Ellen, married to William Fletcher. In the 1871 census she is reported to be 19 years of age and William is 24, but I can't find her maiden name anywhere or their marriage certificate. I've tried on Genes and on FreeBMD. Where can I go from here, please?
Chris

Possible?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
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FLETCHER William Pancras 1b 63
Litherland Ellen Weston Pancras 1b 63

Andy

Poss for Ellen from 1861 census

1861 England Census
about Ellen Litherland
Name: Ellen Litherland
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 342
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Litherland 4
Ellen Litherland 8
Lydia Litherland 6
Mary Litherland 44
Richard Litherland 43


Andy

Thanks Andrew. Perhaps it would have helped if I had told you that they lived in Wenlock in Shropshire in 1871 and were both born there. Sorry!

1871? OK for ages in original post

1871 England Census
about William Fletcher
Name: William Fletcher
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Westwood, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Fletcher 19
William Fletcher 24
William Fletcher 1

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 234; Folio: 9; Page: 12; GSU roll: 824904.


Andy

Thanks Ericthered, I'll try that.
Andrew I am so sorry, you are probably right, they were in St., Pancras, London in 1871. I was getting mixed up with Williams father, Richard who was in Shropshire in 1851. I can't find his wife either and I haven't even got a christian name for her. He was a widower in 1851.

I wonder, could this be the family from 1841, daughter Eliza about the right age

1841 England Census
about Eliza Fletcher
Name: Eliza Fletcher
Age: 10 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Much Wenlock
Hundred: Wenlock (Shrewsbury Liberties)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Madeley
Sub registration district: Much Wenlock
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Brown 80
Ann Fletcher 3
Eliza Fletcher 10 Mo
Mary Fletcher 30
Richard Fletcher 25


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 928; Book: 18; Civil Parish: Much Wenlock; County: Shropshire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 41; Page: 2; Line: 10; GSU roll: 474591.

Andy

Wow, thanks for finding that for me. I'll go into it a bit more tomorrow when the lights a bit better and when I'm not so cross-eyed from staring at all these records. I've been on here for hours. So I'll say thanks very much and goodnight!
Chris x

Possible marriage?


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RICHARD FLETCHER Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY EVANS Family
Marriage: 21 NOV 1836 Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Andy

Good morning, Andy
Thanks very much for your help. Can you tell me one more thing please? Is there any way to go back further than 1837 i.e. to find Richard and Mary's birth dates.
Chris

Andy, help please!! Where did you get the info about Eliza? I've looked on the 1841 census on Genes and can't find her or the rest of the family. Am I doing something wrong?
Chris

Hi Chris

Eliza appears on the 1851 census. I don't think the age for Richard is correct, its been confused with that of John Evans, who might be brother in law?

1851 England Census
about William Fletcher
Name: William Fletcher
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Gender: Male
Where born: Wenlock, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Much Wenlock
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Madeley
Sub registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
John Evans 69
Eliza Fletcher 10
Emma Fletcher 8
John Fletcher 6
Richard Fletcher 69
Thomas Fletcher 1
William Fletcher 4


Andy

I thought it strange tha they were both of the same age but it says John Evans was a visitor so it looks as though he was bringing up 5 children on his own, the youngest being Thomas who was 1. How can I find out his real age? Obviously you were right about Mary Evans being his wife so she could only have died during or just after childbirth. I've only recently started doing the family tree so I'm still a novice at finding the right way to get the info I need.
Chris

Looks as if Richard was born c1813

1861 England Census
about Richard Fletcher
Name: Richard Fletcher
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Wenlock, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Much Wenlock
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Madeley
Sub registration district: Much Wenlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Fletcher 20
Richard Fletcher 48
Thomas Fletcher 11

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1860; Folio: 69; Page: 15;


1881 England Census
about Richard Fletcher
Name: Richard Fletcher
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Wenlock, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Much Wenlock
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address: Westwood
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Roadman Lab

Registration district: Madeley
Sub registration district: Much Wenlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Fletcher 68
Alice M. Harding 1
Emma Harding 38 wife of lodger
John Harding 28 lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2640; Folio: 49; Page: 21;

In 1891 Alice M Harding is now grandaughter and Emma is down as Fletcher, wonder if it should be Harding.

1891 England Census
about Richard Fletcher
Name: Richard Fletcher
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Westwood; Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Much Wenlock
Ecclesiastical parish: Much Wenlock Holy Trinity
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Madeley
Sub registration district: Much Wenlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Fletcher 48 daughter
Richard Fletcher 78
Alice M Harding 11 grandaughter

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2101; Folio 41; Page 15

Christine

Here he is in 1871, Emma is daughter unmarried and it says Mary is his daughter also.

Maybe Mary was Emma's daughter!

1871 England Census
about Richard Hetcher
Name: Richard Hetcher
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Wenlock, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Wenlock
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
Town: Wenlock
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Madeley
Sub registration district: Much Wenlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 97
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Hetcher 28
Mary Hetcher 7
Richard Hetcher 58

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2759; Folio: 52; Page: 21;

I will put a correction in for the name.

Christine

Thanks, Christine. Where did you get the listing for the 1881 census? It's not on Genes Reunited.
Chris

The 1881 is free on both Ancestry and Familysearch, that's why it isn't on Genes because they can't charge you to view.

Hope you aren't buying credits for GR as it is a very expensive way.

Christine

I have, actually. I've bought unlimited credits until February 2009. I didn't realise there was a free way to do it!! Which one do you use most or do you use them both?
Chris

You've bought the gold subscription have you?

That's not as bad as buying credits.

I use Ancestry but that's because I have a subscrption. You have to register for Ancestry but can just be a free member to view the 1881 and some BMD's.

Familysearch is also good but you can only put the county of birth for searching not the actual place.

Christine

Thanks for all your help Christine. I've posted several different topics on these message boards and everyone has been so helpful, so thank you all.
Chris