Genealogy Chat

PM from Andrea:

Thank you for all your help its much appreciated. I have looked at Alice Powles being her mother before so will delve further.

Andrea also says that David was born at 7 Kingswood Road, Kington.

Looking at that address in 1939, it's a "Public Assistance Institution", with large numbers of patients, inmates, and staff.
In other words, a workhouse equivalent.


ADDED:

As Andrea said in her opening post on here, I've just noticed.

I'm convinced that Sarah Ellen 1910 is the correct one.

In another PM, Andrea says that in 1937 Ellen was living at 5 Wylcwm Street, Knighton.

Having searched for that address in 1939, I see that Sarah Ellen 1910's mother Alice E Owens was at 5 Wylcwm Street.

Alice E Owens
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Alice E Owens
Gender Female
Marital Status Widowed
Birth Date 5 Apr 1874
Residence Date 1939
Address 5 Wylcwm Street.
Residence Place Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales
Occupation Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number 11
Schedule Number 42
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Zyaa
Borough Knighton
Registration district 613-1
Household Members (Name) Age
Alice E Owens 65

According to Andrea, he has his original birth cert and adoption record.

Andrea

Please reply ON HERE………thank you

So the one born in 1910 wasn’t 18 when David was born which was why the confusion adding to an old thread

David can access his adoption records for its info which would help his search

Andrea says the man has his original birth cert- it may prove helpful to know exactly what info it contains

There is no birth of an Ellen Sarah Owen or Owens anywhere in England or Wales between 1910 and 1926.

There are several Sarah Ellens with surname Owen - though none later than 1915.
Also several Sarah Ellens with surname Owens - but none later than 1920.

None in Kington reg district - though of course there's no reason to assume she was born in the same place as her son.
None anywhere in Herefordshire.

PM from Andrea re Ellen Sarah 1910:

I think this Ellen Sarah is born 1910 which is too early as I believe she was very young when she gave birth and was disowned by her family and was only allowed back to her family if she gave her baby up for adoption.
So very sad.


(I have told Andrea how to reply on the thread.)

PM from Andrea confirms this to be the correct birth in respect of her query

Births Mar 1936 (>99%)
OWENS David F Owens Kington 6a 698

The 1918 birth has NO relevance to her enquiry

Unfortunate that Andrea added to an old, totally unconnected, thread.

To avoid confusion -

Ellen Owen 1918 is the one Jan was asking about in 2008.
Ellen Sarah Owen(s) 1910 is (or at least may be) the one Andrea's asking about now.


PM sent to Andrea to let her know there are replies here, in case she's expecting GR to notify her.

Looks like he married Ellen Roberts


1921 Census Of England & Wales
Tynffordd Bach, Llanrwst, Llanrwst Rural, Denbighshire, Wales

Household members (5 people)

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Thomas Owen Head Male 1881 40 Llanrwst, Denbighshire, Wales Carter Messrs Tremble Merchants
Ellen Owen Wife Female 1881 40 Llanrwst, Denbighshire, Wales - -
Jane Owen Daughter Female 1909 11 Llanrwst, Denbighshire, Wales - -
Nellie Owen Daughter Female 1918 3 Llanrwst, Denbighshire, Wales - -
William Owen Son Male 1920 1 Llanrwst, Denbighshire, Wales - -

Possible parents for the 1918 birth

Marriages Dec 1910
Owen Thomas Bangor 11b 777
Roberts Ellen Bangor 11b 777
Roberts Maggie Bangor 11b 777
THOMAS Robert Bangor 11b 777

Wouid need the birth cert to identify which wife !

Just a long shot for the above woman:

OWEN, SARAH ELLEN mmn POWLES
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 109

A sister:

OWEN, EDITH GWENDOLIN mmn POWLES
GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in KNIGHTON Volume 11B Page 198


1921:

Sarah Ellen
Owen
1912
[Birthplace] Newton, Herefordshire, England
[Residence ] Knighton
Knighton
Radnorshire

With Alice 1876, Alice Mary 1904, Edith Gwendoline 1912, William Charles 1906, and 1 other



???
Sarah Owens
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name Sarah Owens
Age in 1911 8/12
Estimated Birth Year abt 1910
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place Leintwardine, Hereford, England
Civil parish Adforton, Walford, Letton and Newton
County/Island Radnorshire
Country Wales
Street Address Newton, Brampton Brian, Herefordshire
Registration district Knighton
Registration District Number 613
Sub-registration district Knighton
ED, institution, or vessel 09
Household schedule number 28a
Piece 33659
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Alfred Owens 42 Head
Alice Owens 33 Wife
Alice Owens 7 Daughter
William Owens 4 Son
Sarah Owens 8/12 Daughter
William Owens 80 Father
Dora Owens 1 Niece
May Jones 2 Boarder


Marriages Jun 1903 (>99%)
Owens Alfred Knighton 11b 209
POWLES Alice Elizabeth Knighton 11b 209

Just a suggestion in the meantime, assuming Herefordshire:

Ellen Sarah Owen
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Ellen Sarah Owen
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Birth Date 24 Jul 1910
Residence Date 1939
Address Aramstone, Fawley
Residence Place Ross and Whitechurch, Herefordshire, England
Occupation Housemaid
Line Number 7
Schedule Number 64
Sub Schedule Number 4
Enumeration District Ogoo
Borough Ross and Whitechurch
Registration district 336/2
Household Members (Name) Age
John Wyrdham Woodburne J P Smith 73
Wm Edward Pike 52
This record is officially closed.
Ellen Sarah Owen 29
Victory Master Leonard Powell 16 [Powell, Victor Martin Leonard on image]



Re the house Aramstone:

A house of about 1730, demolished in 1956. It stood in an 18th-century landscape park on the bank of the River Wye. Features included a dovecote, a walled kitchen garden with glasshouses, an ice house and a cold bath. There was an elm avenue.
https://www.parksandgardens.org/places/aramstone

Kington….where, please? Is it the one in Herefordshire?

Has your relative got his original birth cert?

If not, advise him to obtain a copy……….was he named David at birth?

Hello,

I too am trying to find information regarding Ellen Sarah Owen(s).

I have an elderly relative who is now 87 and Ellen was his mother. We do not have any information other than word of mouth that she was young when she gave birth, 18 I think. Her baby was born in Kington Workhouse and she kept him for 12 months before he was handed over to his adopted parents at Kington Show.

If anyone can help Id be grateful.

Many thanks
Andrea

Have a look at FreeBMD
There is a birth record on there for an Ellen Owen September 1918
Mothers maiden name Roberts

Surname Given Name Mother District Volume Page

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Births Sep 1918
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Owen Ellen Roberts Conway 11b 705

Was she married? If so what was her married name?

The only death registered in January 2005 is for an Ellen Pritchard Owen. Could she have been born Ellen Pritchard? The birth date is given as 1910.

Kath. x

I'm trying to trace the birth cert of ellen owen for a friend of mine. her d.o.b 6th sept 1918 in conway wales. she died 2nd jan 2005 again in wales her fathers name was thomas owen so far have not been able to get any further on i'm afraid thats all my friend knows i keep hitting blanks. anyone able to point me in the right direction.
Jan