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GRO Certificates.

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Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 15:25

Just had copy of a 1854 Marriage Certificate, most of which I cant read and worse still Bride & Grooms ages are not indicated. Think the Grooms says "Senior" and some scribble in the brides which I cant decipher was this normal practice at that time? Any help would be appreciated.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 8 Sep 2008 15:42

It was quite common at that time for no age to be given, just ..' full '..or ' minor '
It did depend on who filled in the details though.
I have a photocopy here of a page from a marriage register of 1843. One marriage on the page shows ' full age ', while the other marriage shows the actual given ages for the bride and groom.

If your certificate does indeed say ' senior', it might indicate that he had a son of the same name.

Gwyn

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 16:33

Gwyneth, your a star. Bride and father, same surname but she signed with an "X" She Hannah Burton married William Molyneux 26/2/1854. Witnesses were Samuel Edwards and Ann Hurst who also signed "x" I've got Hannah and William in 1891 &1901 census but not before. Be interesting to see if you can track back for me.
Regards Alan

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 16:38

Forgot to add residence at time of marriage looks like NAYLOR ST Liverpool.
William's father a Thomas Molyneux a Shoemaker and Hannahs father a Farmer. Every little helps ??

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 8 Sep 2008 18:25

What was the name of Hannah's father.?

Could this be your couple in 1861 at 32 Clifton Street ?.......

Name: William Molyneux
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna
Gender: Male
Where born: Ramford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 282
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Molyneux 31
Thomas Molyneux 4
William Molyneux 27

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 19:08

Hi Gwyn,
Hannah's father was Thomas, a coachman.
Entry you show isnt the one I fear. William Molyneux born Worsley, Manchester and his father also a Thomas.
Thank you for trying.
Alan

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 8 Sep 2008 19:11

Hannah's father was a coachman.....or a farmer, as per previous post..?

Gwyn

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 19:21

Sorry for confusing you Gwyn, ...Hannah's father was Thomas Burton who was a farmer. Was looking at two certificates......................it's my age!

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 19:35

Oh the shame of it......a labourer, which explains a lot!!!

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 8 Sep 2008 19:42

When ou found them in 1891 where they together and what was shown for their birthplaces?
I've found a William and Hannah living in separte addresses...
Could you tell us what you found in the census please?
I find it easier to work back once I've seen the actual image, ....sometimes, no guarantee !

Gwyn

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 20:02

sent info by Genes . Thought I could scan my info and send as attachment............cant help my age.

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 20:08

Wow, 3 helpers cant believe my luck. Thank you.
1891 census refs RG12 piece 2935 folio 84 page 41
Reg dist Toxteth Park
address 5 Northbrook Street Toxteth Park Liverpool

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 20:11

Sorry its not this one, I made the same mistake.
Thanks for trying.

Alan

Alan Report 8 Sep 2008 20:41

Looks good Yummymummy. Bit nervous about size of family and spelling of name but well worth further investigation..........cheers
Alan

+*+blossom In Essex+*+

+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 8 Sep 2008 20:45

At last I've found it! Good spelling, eh!!
1891:
Name: Hannah Mlyncuse
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philemon
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Mlyncuse 16
Hannah Mlyncuse 54
Herbert Mlyncuse 14
William Mlyncuse 58

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Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 8 Sep 2008 21:04

Well done.... I had to leave for a while.
Great mistranscription !

Gwyn

Mary

Mary Report 8 Sep 2008 21:33

I have stupidly managed to duplicate an order for BMD certs., also a couple that are regretfully not mine !
Has any one else messed up like this and do you think its worth trying to list them just for the price I paid plus postage ?
Any thoughts please ?
Mary

+*+blossom In Essex+*+

+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 8 Sep 2008 22:36

May be worth checking out for William's dad, Thomas. He is a cordwainer (shoemaker). If this right, then William has 2 siblings here:

1851 England Census
about Thomas Mollyneux
Name: Thomas Mollyneux
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchestr

Civil Parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 1z
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Mollyneux 12
Thomas Mollyneux 53
Thomas Mollyneux 16

Alan

Alan Report 9 Sep 2008 09:39

Thank you Blossom, think you've cracked it. Never reckoned on the spelling. Also appreciate the efforts and willingness from Gwyn, Yummymummy, and Jim. Now I know what this site is for, hope I can be of assistance in future.
Alan

ron

ron Report 9 Sep 2008 17:34

yes Mary i wondered that i have 5 i do not want. Pam