Genealogy Chat

Ok are you able to just search the 1901 census?

If you can try Agnes
No Surname
Year of birth 1877
Residence County London Civil Parish Spitalfields

I am supposed to have unlimited access to all the censuses but you can't search without a surname.

I just looked at the 1881 census

I think this may be Agnes staying with grandparents. This one is slightly older than expected but often 21 on a marriage certificate means over 21.

Note grandparents born in Ireland and surname Murphy so those would be maternal grandparents.

I then hunted for a Thomas Fitzgerald living in London and spotted a young one also born in St Georges East. I thought he might be a brother so looked at the household. That made me wonder if the family could be Agnes's

1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John MURPHY
Head M Male 60 Kerry, Ireland Stevedores Lab
Mary MURPHY
Wife M Female 60 Cork, Ireland
Julia MURPHY
Dau U Female 29 Shadwell, Middlesex, England Match Maker
Mary MURPHY
Dau U Female 23 St George E, Middlesex, England Match Maker
Agnes FITZGERALD
Gd Dau U Female 7 St George E, Middlesex, England Scholar

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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Gold St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341100

Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0458 / 48
Page Number 27




1881 Household:
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas FITZGERALD
Head M Male 47 Ireland Metropolitan Police Pensioner
Mary FITZGERALD
Wife M Female 43 Ireland
Margaret A. FITZGERALD
Daur U Female 21 Ireland Hat & Cap Machinist
John S. FITZGERALD
Son Male 19 Mile End N Town, Middlesex, England Clerk (Unemployed)
Thomas FITZGERALD
Son Male 11 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Scholar
Mary FITZGERALD
Daur Female 5 Mile End O Town, Middlesex, England

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Source Information:
Dwelling 21 Sidney Street
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341103

Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0471 / 21
Page Number 36

Lynda, glad to see you are moving forward, will step back now as Claire and Sue are running with this.

Try James Kearns 1857 Devon

Look for the 1901 James born in Exeter & married to Caroline.

I am not loosing the plot, he's on the same page as Agnes

No Peter please join in as I'm running out of ideas!

Thank you Claire, I could find him and have a copy of their entry. Henry aged 3 months was my Grandad.

I'm not sure to trust GR's info now though and don't know where to go with this problem from here. Although I'll join Ancestry, I'm supposed to have unlimited access here until Nov!!

Lynda out of curiosity, what surname were they under on GR?

If my hunch is right and that Thomas and Mary Fitzgerald are Agnes Fitzgerald's parents then you may not be able to get much further back.

Although their younger children were born in Mile End or St Georges East (which makes me think they are Agnes's lot) I spot their oldest child with them in 1881 is a Margaret born in Ireland.

This makes me think Thomas and Mary were probably married somewhere in Ireland.

Irish records are notoriously difficult to research but if that 7 year old with grandparents is the right Agnes then you'd know Mary was probably originally Murphy (if she is the right wife of Thomas).

I looked at the Free BMD site for births but there are quite a number of Agnes Fitzgeralds registered in the London area roughly around when yours was born. Not easy to pin them down.

Sue

I have just found them using "Deiring" which is a spelling I'd never thought of!!

It also seems to show that GR must use different indexes if Ancestry show this name as Derring and GR show it as Deiring.

Thank you everyone for your help with this. I have written to the GR support team and will wait for their reply.

Thank you Sue, I think you're right. I'll assume they are her parents.

Thnak you everyone for your help

Just read this thread - fascinating!

It prompted me to compare the 1901 search on home page of GR for 1901 with the National Archives version (previously I googled for 1901 census). I had read somewhere that GR had bought the rights to the 1901 census, and the transcription is the same on both sites.

Interestingly there is a beta version offered - see

http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

and when you have a list of possibles (eg all the Wal* Deer* entries), you can click on "show the results in map view", which looks very helpful ...

- I probably missed others talking about it when it first appeared!

[Edit: looking at the image, you can see why Ancestry had it as Derring and National Archives as Deiring. Even so, I'd say that Deering is more likely to be what the enumerator actually wrote]

The 1891 census has Agnes as a domestic servant and living away from home.
That census says she was born about 1875.

I notice that in the same building but as a different household is a single man of 37 called James Murphy who is a stevedore.

My guess (and no proof yet) is that could be one of Agnes's relations. He might be an uncle.

That would fit the grandfather's occupation in 1881.

At this stage all you can do is keep gathering information until you have enough evidence to make any scenario likely or even with luck prove something.

Good luck
Sue