Genealogy Chat

Kate..... must admit I tend to agree ,maybe not completely sure of the system, or just one that recorded every detail they were given....what makes me think that she wasn`t a twin, is that twins tend to run in families, I know they sometimes skip a generation, but this is on my matenal side and there is not one set of twins in the family since 1839, also my gr gr grandmother had 11 children of her own ,and have not found a twin amongst them. so will bare everyones input in mind, and have a dig around when i get to see Parish records at the Westminster Archives.

Nicky

Thinking about what Siobhan says, I've got a birth certificate from 1852 that appears to say the baby was born at 4.45 am but no twin comes up on the same index page, and I think I have an 1843 certificate with a time of birth on (although I am pretty sure this child wasn't a twin, either).

I wonder if these "odd" ones were down to the registrars not really having got to grips with the system at that point in time, and thinking that they had to record a time even when it wasn't twins? Or just an over-zealous, detail-obsessed one - perhaps there were registrars who wanted to add those details and the parents just assumed that it was necessary because an "official" asked for it?

Siobhan....

thanks for your input........another job to add to my list for when I visit the Westminster Archives.


Nicky

1839 was not long after civil registration began, so it could possibly be that the other twin never survived and so they didnt register the birth.

Siobhan....

Yes it is an England /Wales Birth cert., she was born in Westminster in 1839, the surname is quite unusual... CRITCHETT, there are no other births or deaths registered under that name at that time, so if she was a twin I don`t think i`m going to find the evidence to prove it.


Nicky

thanks everyone for you help!!!
im gonna take a chance and buy the cert and see where it gets me , ilet you know if i get a match with the twins!!!!

Nicky, is it an England or Wales birth cert? if so then it is very likely that your GGG Grandmother was a twin.

I know Scottish birth certs have the time of birth regardless. But as you are talking about 1839 I doubt it is a scottish birth certificate you are referring to.

Marillyn,

I`m very intrested in your earlier post where you mentioned only twins have time of birth on their certificates...... My gr gr grandmother was born in 1839, and in the where and when born section it gives the date, the time "half past 11 o`clock P.M.", and address where she was born, this is the ONLY birth cert. I have with a time on, does this mean she was a twin?,


Nicky

Marilyn they do share the same registration, quarter and vol no though, it is just the page number which is different by just a couple of pages and this can be the case with twins. I have some twins in my own tree where the page no was different.

thankyou but they would have been born before my mother in law and she was born in 1899!!

Hi Saffon,
Found two sets of twins born in Hampshire.
Esther Ellaline V Portsmouth 2b 405 1905 sept qrt
Harry Cyril V Portsmouth 2b 405 1905 sept qrt
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Lawerence C Portsmouth 2b 404 1911 march qrt
Louisa M Portsmout 2b 404 1911 march qrt
Surname STEPHENS
Hope this helps
Marilyn

HI Potty,
But they do still have to have the same Registration number.( I am a twin )
All my twins in my family have the same reg no,Boy or Girl.and twins are the only certs that states the time of birth.
Regards
Marilyn

Siobhan/Marily

Although twins are usually registered on the same page, sometimes one is on the page before or after (there might only have one space left on the page)

Hi Siobhan,
The twins that you found Henrietta & Alice Stephens have not got the same registration numbers.Twins share the same registration . (Just a thought) !
Might have some news for you tomorrow off to the DRO
let you know .
Regards
Marilyn

THANKYOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR KIND HELP!!!!!!!!!!

is the same quarter and same volume for the two girl and only a page or so difference, so it is possible the twins were recorded on seperate pages.

thankyou very much for all your help i did find the two ladies mentioned alice and henrieta but they were on different pages !!! is that normal for twins?????????? or maybe i just buy cert and chance it!!!!!!!!!

thankyou once a gain was thinking ,all these stories we had been told were begining to add up now !!!!!

sadly another child death

birth
Edward James Stephens 1891 Jul-Aug-Sep Alverstoke Hampshire

death
Edward James Stephens abt 1892 1893 Jan-Feb-Mar Alverstoke Hampshire

there is also another child death (if they are the siblings of your Mother in law, it seems a very sad story, which was the case for alot of family in that period with TB at full force, I have lost lots of children in my family tree in that period)

birth
Henry William Stephens 1887 Jul-Aug-Sep Alverstoke Hampshire

death
Henry William Stephens abt 1888 1894 Jan-Feb-Mar Alverstoke Hampshire

There is also this birth

births
Samuel George Stephens 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Alverstoke Hampshire

he also sadly died an infant:

deaths
Samuel George Stephens abt 1884 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Alverstoke Hampshire

could he be the missing boy?

of course you would need to order the cert giving parents name as a cross checking note to see if he is.