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Many thanks ladies again! ginny xx

1881:

1881 England Census
about Horace Philips
Name: Horace Philips
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ruth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 59 Keetons Rd
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edgar Philips 12
Horace Philips 14
James Philips 40 Scotland
James G. Philips 16
Jessie Philips 6
Laura Philips 7
Rosa Philips
Ruth Philips 38
Ruth Philips 10
William Philips 8

Rose

Horace's parents. This is where Ruth's name came from:

1871 England Census
about Horace Philips
Name: Horace Philips
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ruth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household schedule number: 138
Household Members: Name Age
George T Hallier 21
Edgar Philips 2
Horace Philips 4
James Philips 30
James G Philips 6
Ruth Philips 28
Ruth Philips 3 months

Rose

Horace's death:

Deaths Jun 1902
Phillips Horace 34 Dartford 2a 287

Where does the Battersea bit come from?

Rose

thanks ivy xx

Thank you margaret xx

I start with the letters I can read - for instance, head, son, wife, mar, unm, single, parish where they are living - lots will be born there - and have a look to see how consistent each letter is - and then try to read everything else that the enumerator has written before attempting to read what he has put about my family - sometimes it becomes clear, sometimes not. Also, see how Ancestry and FindMyPast have each transcribed the info. Cross-check siblings names against the BMD info - the registrar's clerks tended to be tidier and more careful with names and with their writing.

Sorry Ivy.. I have looked back at some really old census for Uraih Jagger and can't even read them.. what do you do in this instance?

wow.. She are a pro. thanks againxx

yes interesting and they had a sevant.. I know that Horace died just after Jessie was born... Then along came my granny ruth she was not wanted and some of them went into a home.. are there home orphanage records about... Blimey this is exhausting but fun. xx

Hi Ginny,

One branch comes to halt in 1845 (born Dublin, father's name on marriage certificate, but no trace of any other family); the rest are around 1780s ish.

I'm unhappy about parish register links (although there is a possible trail on one branch back to the 1590s) since I picked the wrong John to follow in the 1780s (sorted out when I checked against wills). 90% are ALs, with no wills found....I'm unconvinced by elderly parents' claims to the child on the census when there is a teenage daughter at home ... also, travelling to ROs is out the question for me these days ... I find the lack of info associated with names on a tree before 1780s means it just seems like lists - much more interesting to trace siblings sideways with the census - anyway, these are my excuses for not tracing further back!

Thank you Ivy.. Do you mind me asking how far back have you managed to trace your tree???

1901:

Horace Phillips Sophia M A abt 1868 Bermondsey, London, England
Head Rotherhithe, London

Name: Horace Phillips
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia M A
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 21

Household schedule number: 162
Household Members:
Name Age
Amelia Clarke 26 servant, widow b Bermondsey
David M Phillips 5
Edgar H Phillips 3
Horace Phillips 33 Mechanical Engineer
Horace F W Phillips 6
Jessie V A Phillips 3/12
Sophia M A Phillips 31 b Bermondsey

Children all born Rotherhithe
Address: 56 Culling Road (?)

I suppose if Sophia had to go out to work the boys could walk to and from school, but the infants would need fostering ... I wonder where Sophia's family were?

Marriage?

Sophia Mary A Davies 1893 Jul-Aug-Sep Greenwich
Greater London, Kent, London

Horace Phillips 1893 Jul-Aug-Sep Greenwich
Greater London, Kent, London

Hello I have found out a bit about My granny Ruth Phillips 1902 battersea london
married to charles Jagger.. Her mother was call Sophia Davies (daveys) and her father was called Horace Phillips he died just before my grandmother was born. so my granny and her sister jessicca where sent to a home! Cany anyone help me with the Horace Phillips or the sophia Davies part please The parents of my grandmother ruth Phillips Many thanks Ginny xx

Thank you ladies, wait until I get you started on my fathers side HARRADINE but one step at a time for me. Will try and find out as much as I can about Ruth Philllips
Ginny xx

Morning Ivy. Yes she died in Hertfordshire, she lived in Actual Hertford, not sure if her death was under this parish or she died in Hospital. Thank you Ivy

Ahh, thanks Rose

Pure surmise, but Ruth 1902 may be named after this lady?

Name: Ruth A Phillips
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edmund J P
Gender: Female
Where born: Stoke Newington, London, England

Civil Parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 17

Household schedule number: 76
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund J P Phillips 28
Joseph Phillips 24 bro in law
Lillian Phillips 22 visitor
Olive P Phillips 1
Ruth A Phillips 26 (Ruth Annie Cowell)

Ginny, might your grandma have died in Hertfordshire?

This birth

Births Sep 1902
Phillips Ruth Greenwich 1d 1111

Corresponds with this death:

Ruth Jagger b 2 July 1902 Hertford/W10 0399

and the area matches the marriage location.

Rose

Jagger and Kezia are fairly rare names, so you can fairly quickly decide whether census listings refer to your ancestors. Unfortunately, Phillips is not a rare name at all.

To progress the Phillips side, you will need Ruth's father's name. If you purchase the marriage certificate below (£7 from GRO website if you have the reference details) it may well give you her age, her father's name, and his occupation:

Groom: Charles G Jagger
Bride's surname: Phillips
Registration district: Greenwich
Quarter: Jul-Sep 1929
References - vol 1d, page 2425

Website address to order the certificate:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/