Genealogy Chat

Hi Jane, the news about Edwards death was a tremendous help (sounds a bit morbid !!), and I really do appreciate what you have done, infact I'm over the moon, but as you say I will need the 1911 census. As for Spendmore Lane, nothing I'm afraid on that. But Holdings Cottages is the correct one.
Once again Jane, you really have been a 'gem' and many, many thanks.. Take Care.. John

Could the marriage certificate say Spendmore Lane?

Best Wishes

Jane

Ok, I have now found her aged 59 when she died in 1953. As you have said there are no births for a Bertha Elizabeth Walsh for the correct period but perhaps she was just registered Bertha. Possible death for Edward

Name: Edward Walsh
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Year of Registration: 1916
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 56
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 949

You may need the 1911 census!!

Did you say you can't read the address on the marriage certificate. Could it be Holdings Cottages?

Best Wishes

Jane

Hi Jane, sorry about that, a typing error. the year was 1953 when Bertha actually died. and yes, she was still called Nunn... Thanks for your kind help Jane.. John

Many thanks Bren, I'll go through them all and see what I can put together with what I've got. You help is really very much appreciated. Don't know aht I'd do without you all... Cheers, John

John,

Which year did she actually die as I can't find her in 1950. Was she still called NUNN when she died?

Best Wishes

Jane

hi john
I haven't found anything about Bertha but if she really came from Coppul I found these on the BIVRI relating to Walsh and Wane

WANE, Thomas Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 20 Sep 1855 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert WANE
Mother: Alice
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WANE, John Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 2 Feb 1857 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert WANE
Mother: Alice
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WANE, Henry Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 25 Jan 1859 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert WANE
Mother: Alice
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WANE, Ellen Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Mar 1861 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert WANE
Mother: Alice
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WANE, Thomas Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 Jun 1863 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert WANE
Mother: Alice
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WAIN, Jane Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 19 Apr 1865 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Robert WAIN
Mother: Alice
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865

WALSH, Thomas Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 25 Nov 1827 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas WALSH
Mother: Betty
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WALSH, Robert Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 10 May 1829 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas WALSH
Mother: Betty
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WALSH, Nancy Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Oct 1857 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Ralph WALSH
Mother: Mary
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WALSH, Maria Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 5 Jul 1863 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Edward WALSH
Mother: Ann
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865
WALSH, Robert Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 8 Oct 1865 Recorded in: Coppull, Lancashire, England
Father: Edward WALSH
Mother: Hannah
Source: FHL Film 1068752 Dates: 1812 - 1865

Hope these might be of use to you

Bren

Very many thanks Carole. If anything happened to her family after 1901 that may well explain a lot. Best wishes. John

Hi John I live in chorley as you said there are alot of walshes in the area I myself have two lots of walshes that are no relation to each other , I will ask around see if anyone knows of Bertha . If you want me to look anywere let me know Carole

Hi Von, many thanks for your reply..Her age was on the marriage cert., as 24 (1919), which made the year 1895. Which was the same year as my father's, but no date or month on any letters etc., Which gives thought that she didn;t really know her own actual date of birth, so just took his. regards, John.

Hi Heather, appologies for the delay in replying - It was "Father's name and occupation" on the marriage cert, not next of kin.. Witnesses were, William Crone and Williame Moore.. Married at St.Johns Church, Shildon..Married John R. Nunn.
But as I cannot find for sure the Bertha Elizabeth Walsh on the cert was the Bertha born in Coppull in 1893, I am left with the 'guessing' word. I can't find anything on the Bertha born in Coppull after 1901. She led a very secretive life.. Many thanks for your very grateful work Heather.. regards, John.

Hi Rose, info on the marriage cert - 12 April 1919.
nok - Edward Walsh (deceased). Occupation Not Known.. Witnesses - William Crone and William Moore?... Bertha's past was not very well known, understand that she was a Nursery Maid at Kildale Hall in Yorkshire. Also understand, tho not certain that she may have been brought up in a 'Home'. Have checked with Kildale Hall but they have no records available.. I Have taken this Bertha from Coppull to be the same as the one on the marriage cert, but this is only guess work. And it's the word 'guess' which I am trying to get rid of.. Many thanks for all your kind work, and my sincere appologies for the delay in replying.. Regards, John.

Hi Jane - All that is on the Marriage cert is - Name Bertha Elizabeth Walsh..On Death cert - Bertha Elizabeth Nunn. I know she was married in 1919.
the thing is Jane, I have nothing definte as to whether the Bertha Walsh born in Coppull is the same Bertha Elizabeth Walsh who married in 1919.
Her 'past' was rather scant and I didn't know much about her. (even less when I began the Fam Tree).
If I could find anything on the Bertha Walsh from Coppull from 1901, this could help to prove if these two women were the same, if that makes sense..
Anyway Jane, many thanks for all your kind work,
Regards.. John.

Is this Bertha and your dad?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916

WALSH Bertha and FAIRHURST Reginald Octavius Parish Church, Coppull Preston (Reference Number C12/2/199)

From Lancashire BMD

I dont understand "next of kin" on the marriage cert- did it not say "Fathers name and occupation"? Who were the witnesses? Where was the wedding and erm, who did she marry?

What was Edward's occupation and who were the witnesses?

Rose

NUNN John R Walsh Auckland.10a 559 2 1919

Is this the marriage?

BW

Jane

John,

What is her name on the marriage certificate and what was her registered name when she died?

BW

Jane

Many thanks Claire, it really is appreciated. But what happened to Bertha after 1901. That's the problem. You see, she died back in 1950, and no one seemed to know much about her past. Marriage certificate in 1919. (Date of birth same as her husbands, next of kin - Edward Walsh, Deceased.)
And that is where it all ends.. Again Claire, many thanks... John

I really am grateful for the work you have put in. But this Bertha Walsh MUST be the one who married my father in 1919. (on her marriage certificate she didn;'t know her actual date of birth and put it down as 1895 (The same as my fathers). Her next of kin was Edward Walsh (deceased)..So you see the dilemma. No actual proof that this Bertha was the same as the one born in Chorley in 1893..