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nudge

Thank you Mike, will keep a note of it, til i know one way or another.

Sylvia

Greeting’s again Sylvia.

St. Andrew’s Twyford cum Thorpe Satchville
Leicestershire.

James. Son of Adam & Elizabeth Underwood.
20th August 1797.

Other sibling’s of Adam & Elizabeth :~
William. 19th. August. 1799.
Joseph. 1st. February 1801.

Unfortunately due to the early dates
Then the Parish Registers will only be " One Liners "
and will not give us any other details to help identify James for sure
….like Father’s occupation.
So I would not dismiss this for now .....
until we can prove otherwise.

MARRIAGE :~

Twyford - Cum - Thorpe Satchville Parish Church.

Adam Underwood of Loseby Parish.~
Elizabeth Phips. of this Parish.
4th. December. 1796.
By Banns.


MIKE.

Hi Mike,

Could i have your opinion on this please.

Going through my paperwork this morning, on the 1851 census it says James Underwood was born in 1796 in Thorpe Satchville Leicestershire.

For some reason after looking at google maps, i decided that Twyford was a lot closer than Melton Mowbray.

Looking at Twyford on the IGI there is a James Underwood baptised in 1797.

Could this be my man? hes the only James on there.


Sylvia

Hi Mike

My cousin wants to send on her thanks on to you
Elaine

Hi Mike
Thanks and will pass that on
Elaine

"Was Isaac registered in Thomas & Ann's name
to save face of of their daughter Ann .....
and so did James adopt Isaac as his own ?

“ These are deep waters Watson…."

"My thinking exactly Sherlock"

Thank you so much, you are a diamond among the gems

Sylvia

(¯`*•.¸ (¯`*•.¸F.A.O. Elaine ¸.•*¨) ¸.•*¨)

Greeting’s again Elaine ……

Best get off that step now otherwise you’ll catch sum it………

Right....I read the “ Leicester Journal 1866. “ page 1. to back page
Sorry no sign of the Inquest results on John Scotton aged 3 weeks. ….

Reading the headlines though……… I think it’s a very strong possibility
That John fell a victim of the “ Cholera Epidemic”
which was sweeping the County at the time…..
So many deaths from this that there was a notice in the paper that due to the large amounts of people dying from Cholera. …….
For the time being…….
There would be a bulleting posted on the door of the Infirmary daily with the names on it of those who had died. …Signed by the Chef Medical Officer. of the Infirmary. ……..

MIKE. xxxx

(¯`*•.¸ (¯`*•.¸F.A.O. Sylvia …… ¸.•*¨) ¸.•*¨)

St. Mary’s Parish Church.
Melton Mowbray.

Fiche No. D G 36 / 20. 1 of 3 fiches.
Registers Reads thus :~

Page. 34.
Entry No. 102.

James Underwood. BACHELOR of this Parish.
Sarah Goodacre. Spinster of this Parish.
Married in this Church by Banns with consent of Parents.
This First Day of June
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Eighteen.

By Thomas Ford. Vicar.

Both signed the register in their own signatures.

In the presence of :~
Goodacre ( sorry Christian name not clear Letitia / Jacob / John / Ruben / Joseph. )
Mary Hills , Wm Hills.

D G 36 / 20. 2 of 3 fiches.
Page 102.
Entry No. 304.

James Underwood. WIDOWER. Of this Parish.
Ann Cooper. Spinster of this Parish.

Married in this Church by Banns
This SIXTH Day of April.
One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty Eight.
By William John Thirtcliffe. Curate.

Both signed the register in their own signatures.

In the Presence of :~
Wm. Brian. Oliver Judd.

DG 36. / 9.

BAPTISMS :~ 1821.
Page No'. 91. Entry No’ 724.
27th. March. 1821.
William. Son of James & Sarah. Underwood.
Melton Mowbray.
Labourer.
W. J. Thirtcliffe.Vicar.

1822.
Entry No’ 858.
7th. July. 1822.

Frances. Daughter of James & Sarah Underwood.
Melton Mowbray.
Labourer.
W. J. Thirtcliffe. Vicar.

Sorry trawled registers :~ 1719. ~ 1831.

NO sign of Isaac or James Underwood Baptisms

BUT…….
Like you my eye was drawn to the following
And alarm bells rang…..:~

14th. March. 1826.

Isaac. Son of Thomas & Ann COOPER.
Melton Mowbray.
Gentleman.
W. J. Thirtcliffe. Vicar.

Was Isaac registered in Thomas & Ann's name
to save face of of their daughter Ann .....
and so did James adopt Isaac as his own ?

“ These are deep waters Watson….”

( I did not pick up your additional information till I logged on to night )

At lest we have found out James was married twice for sure.

MIKE. xxx

Thank you for that Mike, could you also possibly look for the baptism of James Underwood c1801 in Melton Mowbray please.

Sylvia

Adding to this as i may have found Isaac as he was born before the marriage of James and Ann , i looked under Cooper and found a baptism 14 March 1826, but it says parents are Thomas Cooper and Ann, now Thomas was Anns fathers name, is this possible please or have i got the wrong Isaac?

Greeting’s …….Sylvia

St. Mary’s Parish Church.
Melton Mowbray.

BURIALS :~

UNDERWOOD Sarah 13.th. September. 1823 Aged.26

Therefore I would say that going on the dates we have to hand
then Isaac is the Son of James & Ann née Cooper

Although like your good self I have yet to find Isaac’s Baptism to prove the above……

Maybe I’ll have a better idea once I’ve had a look around the Parish Registers held at the Records Office this coming week.

I see that on the 1841. Census William was working as an Ag. Lab.
On a Farm in Neither Broughton
Aged 20.
Plus there is a Frances as an inmate in the Female Asylum The Newarke
in the Borough of Leicester aged 15.
( ages were rounded DOWN to nearest multiple of 5 on this Census )

MIKE. xx

Hi Mike

Asking for you help to find the parents of Isaac Underwood born c1826 Melton Mowbray please

I have him with James and Ann Underwood married 1828, but have just found on IGI a possible first marriage for James with a Sarah Goodacre in 1818 and children William 1821and Frances 1822.

Am wondering if Issac was Sarahs son and when Sarah died, which could confirm or not James was married twice

Having trouble finding Isaac on IGI

Sylvia

Hi Mike and Elaine,

Tks so much to both of you, you are a great help...

I just love reading these message on the threads. I have only found them (the threads board) about 3 weeks ago after being a member for over 2 years, best piece of site navigating I ever did..

Keep up the good work, and tks so much...

Cheers.Karen

Sitting on naughty step

My fault, read it wrong when I saw Lmt
Elaine

Cough....Cough....

For St Margs .......
Read......... ST. MARTINS Parish Church. 1802........

Naughty step for someone me thinks ? ...:0/

Possible marriage for Martha :~

William Jopson. ~ Martha Noon.
21st. September. 1848.
All Saints Parish Church.

1851. Census returns :~


HO 107. / 2090. / 404. / Page. 23.
Extra parochial Parish of Borough of Leicester
Castle View
Castle Yard.

William Jopson Head Mar. 31 Male. Wool comber Lei Leicester
Martha Jopson Wife Mar. 32 F/Male. Wool comber’s Wife Lei Leicester
Jane Jopson Dau. 11mths F/Male. Lei Leicester

MIKE.xx

Hi Karen

Had a look at marriages and there is a Wiliam Noon marrying Elizabeth Goodman St Margs 1802
Elaine

Hi Mike

Re Thomas Noon and Mary Ann Smith..

I note on the marriage info of 1835, that a Martha Noone is a witness. I have found a chris entry , 2 May 1817 St Margarets ,on the IGI with parents of William and Elizabeth Noon. I also found 5 other children with parents William and Elizabeth Noon...
Mary Noon..1810,William 1803,Jas Noon 1812 ( also found him on 1841 census as a shoeman,which ties in) John Noon 1805 and Elizabeth 1807. all of St Margarets.

Could there possibly be more info on Martha Noon (e), Please ?

Lots of Tks for your time...
Karen of Brisbane

Hi Mike

My cousin has been in touch and has found a burial for one of her Scotton's. They are a giving her a real headache and I can understand why now as she sent me some some certs to see if I could figure out what was going on. She has just found this

P 1293 C SCOTTON John 1866 Aug 24 Age 3WKS. Oxford Street, Saint Mary 17520 CORONER'S WARRANT

Was hoping you could have a look at the newspaper when you have time, need some clues desperately!!!
Thanks
Elaine

Thank you so much Mike that's excellent, more avenues to persue! Isn't it strange that Mary was baptised before being named.

Again they have changed the boundaries, on multimap Hemington is in Derbyshire. I have also seen a reference that has put Castle Donnington in Derbyshire.

Thank you again
Caroline xx

Greeting's again Karen O' Brisbane ....

" Your very welcome "

I'll help anyone out in fact as I type this an ex pat of Leicester who I've helped over years now is flying from Oz Victoria
to meet up with me sometime in the next few weeks .......So NO look up's that week I'm afraid ....

But If I can help you again just ask.....

MIKE