Genealogy Chat

Hi Mike,

Patricia here
Many thanks for that info I shall send for the certificate.

Regards Patricia

Ooh, that's brilliant, Mike!

That Poor Law disc is very interesting - does it contain copies or transcripts of the actual documents, or can I get them from the Record Office?

When I was there in September I had a look in the Poor Law section, but all I found was a settlement order for John Pool's oldest son Richard (the one you found baptised in Ibstock in 1776) and an apprenticeship for Richard's son William in 1812.

I'm surprised there isn't a settlement order for John, who seems to have moved between Ibstock, Nailstone and Barlestone. Were settlement orders only made when people were claiming parish relief, or for anyone who changed parish?

Greeting’s again Mary O’ Italy….

Lol :0))) ….” If only…!!! …… We don’t get off that easy “ ….lol :0)))

No unfortunately. .......
The Disc which was made between the Records Office
& the History Society is a comprehensive list of the INDEX Ref. No’s
With just a brief description. ( as per my last post )
To the original documents held in the strong room at the Records Office.

It also has INDEX ref No's to Bastardy Orders along with Settlement Orders.

It certainly cuts the trawling through endless Films & Books in the hope of finding anything………….

RE :~ Settlement Orders. ………..

As I understand the system it does something like this……..

Person is claiming Parish relief …….Then abuses the system by increasing his family….or misbehaves…or refuses to work
So more money to be paid out from the Parish chest.

They are sent back to the Parish they were born in ( Removal Order )

This is where the “ Settlement order “ comes in….Is bound over to behave or they are out on their ears. ……….

Cough….Cough……It’s not too early to send a letter to SANTA
Via the Chimney system…….. if you think the Disc would be of help to you………

MIKE. xxx

Bit more Poole / Pool events :~

Pool Hester 1801 Removal Order Wigston Magna 384/81/25 Hanging Houghton Northamptonshire
Pool John 1819 Apprenticeship Indenture Desford 64/20/139 Hugglescote
Pool John 1819 Apprentice Master Desford 64/20/139 Hugglescote
Pool Richard 1802 Settlement Exam Nailstone 2707/34/11 Ibstock
Pool Richard 1812 Apprentice's Parent Nailstone 2707/39/9/1-3
Pool Samuel 1770 Settlement Exam Lutterworth 2559/76/23 Barby Northamptonshire
Pool Thomas 1812 Apprentice Nailstone 2707/39/8
Pool Thomas 1819 Apprentice's Parent Desford 64/20/139
Pool William 1812 Apprenticeship Indenture Nailstone 2707/39/9/1-3
Poole Ann 1755 Settlement Certificate Shepshed 394/38/11 Hucknall Nottinghamshire
Poole Ann 1817 Removal Order Desford 64/21/15 Sileby
Poole Ann 1775 Bastardy Bond Illston on the Hill 1067/42/2
Poole John 1784 Settlement Certificate Leicester St Nicholas 23D52/18/378 Newark Nottinghamshire
Poole John 1817 Removal Order Desford 64/21/15 Sileby
Poole Mary 1782 Apprenticeship Indenture Illston on the Hill 1067/40/13 Burton Overy
Poole Samuel 1845 Apprentice Lutterworth 2559/90/47 Bitteswell
Poole Thomas 1817 Removal Order Desford 64/21/15 Sileby
Poole William 1755 Settlement Certificate Shepshed 394/38/11 Hucknall Nottinghamshire


MIKE.xxx

Thanks a lot, Mike, I've PM'd you about the Poor Law records.

To go back to John Pool and Rebecca Fowkes, is there any sign of a baptism for them on your discs? Can't find them on the IGI.

John was presumably baptised in Nailstone, Ibstock or Barlestone, and Rebecca in Elmesthorpe or somewhere in the Earl Shilton area.

There's a burial on the County disc for a John Pool aged 84 in Earl Shilton in 1825, which would make him born c. 1741 if it's the same person. Can't find a burial for Rebecca.

There's also an address I can't read on one of the apprenticeship documents, dated 1812 - I wonder if you have any suggestions?

It looks like:

"Direct for Richd Pool
Wood Street
near the Bedlow? Gar?
Down Bell Graves
Leicester"

The only Wood Street I can see on the map is in Earl Shilton, but John's son Richard Pool always lived in Leicester from about 1802 as far as I know. From 1841 he was in Bedford Street.

Your quote :~

Direct for Richd Pool
Wood Street
near the Bedlow? Gar?
Down Bell Graves
Leicester"

My interpretation of the above is as follows :~

Directions for Richard Pool.

WOOD BOY STREET.

Near to the Bedford Garage.
Down BELGRAVE.
Leicester.

Try scanning it and send to me via my E-mail address

MIKE.

Ah, well done, I think I've got it. It never occurred to me that Bell Graves might be Belgrave :-)

I think "Garage" is unlikely in 1812, and the "gar" is between two lines, and possibly chopped off at the end.

Looking at it again, I think it must be

Wood(boy) Street,
Near the Red Lion,
Down Bell Grave Gate
Leicester.

Do you know if there is/was a Red Lion in the area?

Public Houses on Belgrave - Gate

Black Horse Inn
Black Lion
Black Swan
Bohemian
Bowl Turner's Arms
Brewer's Arms
Britannia Inn
Bumper
Case is Altered
Crown and Anchor
Crown and Cushion
Diamond Jubilee Inn
Durham Ox
Earl Cardigan
Earl Stamford's Arms
Fleur-de-Lis
Foundry Arms
Fox and Grapes
Gardeners' Arms
Grey Horse
Griffin Inn
Holly Bush Inn
Horse Breaker's Arms
Malt Shovel
Marquis of Granby
Milton's Head
Nag's Head
Navigation Inn
New Inn
Noah's Ark
Nottingham Arms
Ostrich
Pack Horse Inn
Prince of Wales
Red Cow
Repository Hotel
Royal Oak Inn
Rutland Arms
Spittlehouse Hotel
Star Inn
Sultan Vaults
Swan
Talbot
Telegraph
Waggon and Horses
Waterworks Tavern
White Horse
White Swan Inn


MIKE. xxx

Good heavens, Mike, is there no end to your knowledge?

Red Cow it is :-)

Red Cow Public House

Located on the north corner of Orchard Street,

Which is in the part of Belgrave – gate from the Inner Ring Road Flyover to the modern Charles Street
And also Bedford Street ran off at this junction

MIKE.xxx

That'll be it, Mike, thanks.

Did the list of pubs in Belgrave Gate come from one of your discs?

Do you know anything about the Foundry Arms in Belgrave Gate? I've found a couple of unrelated people in my tree staying there at different times, and they both ended up in the workhouse, so I wondered if it was some kind of cheap lodging-house for down-and-outs.

I’ve now located WOOD STREET
Which changed it’s name to Woodhouse Street.

It’s located on the left hand side of Belgrave Road.
The last street before Abbey Park Road
Opposite the old Belgrave Railway station.

Pack Horse Inn.

Northern Corner of Painter Street. ( next street down to Wood Street.)

Horse bandage manufacturer William Lowe was the licensed victualler in charge of the old Pack Horse Inn during the early 1870's.
The pub was on the western side of the road on the corner of Painter Street so there would have been some trade from the canal basin and the nearby cement works.
William and Ann Lowe remained at the Pack Horse into the 1890's.
They were succeeded by Richard and Emma Pick who had previously kept the Star and Garter on Wigston Magna's Leicester Road.

List of Licensees. :~

1841. …George HUNT.
1863. .John Gibbons.
1887…..William Lowe.
1899.. .Richard Pick.
1916. ….Edmond C. Matthew’s
1925. … Samuel Dadley.

MIKE.xxx

Foundry Arms Public House. :~

Foundry Arms was not, as you would perhaps expect, in Foundry Square but a little further south along the west side of Belgrave Gate.
The beer house was roughly halfway between the Crown and Anchor and the Rutland Arms.
The Cox family kept the pub throughout much of the mid-Victorian period. Joseph and Anne Cox had previously run the Woodboy at Fleet Street. Following the death of her husband, Anne Cox remained as the licensee.
She was assisted by her eldest son Edward until he joined the Royal Marines. Her other son, Alfred, worked as a butcher. Anne Cox supplemented her income from the sales of beer by taking in lodgers.
The 1871 census records no less than eight lodgers living on the premises.

List of Licensees. :~

1835. ….Joseph WARD.
1841. ….Enoch Evans.
1861. …. James Harris Cox.
1870…….Anne Cox.
1889. …..Henry Worley.

MIKE.xxx

Ah, thanks - I thought it was odd that Woodboy Street would be written as Wood Street.

Oh, you have a disc with pubs and publicans?

I have a couple of publicans in my tree.

John and Anne Biggs kept the Royal Standard on Charles Street (about 1899) and the Lord Lyons in Gartree St. (about 1908), and Joseph and Elizabeth Ellen Badham kept the Sawyer's Arms in Lee Street (1870s-80s). Joseph was the Vice-Chairman of the Beer and Wine Trade National Defence League.

Do you have anything about them?

Greeting’s again Mary O’ Italy.

Sorry to disappoint you…….I’ve NO Disc
But I got that information off the net at this site :~

www.midlandspubs.co.uk

MIKE.xxx
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Ah, I should have guessed.

I haven't been on that site for a while because it stopped working for quite a long time. I shall have to have another look.

....Hi all, I have taken a look at that site. It doesn't mention the Three Crown Mews on Rutland Street, as Mike will know form research given to me, the proprietor in 1871 was George Cooke.

I'd be interested to see his name listed on a website.

Regards, Bob

Greeting’s……… English Bob.

Historical Trade Directory Site :~

1870. Leicester Directory
Page. 52.
Rutland Street.

No. 70.
COOKE GEO. Cab & c., Proprietor
THREE CROWNS MEWS.

MIKE.

Scan winging it's way
to your Fsnet E-mail
as I type this

....got that, thanks. Bob