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Hello everyone
I have my grandfathers (Albert Pope 26/9/1900) birth certificate his father was Thomas Pope and his mother Alice Billings. I have the family on the census returns in Hanley, Staffordshire and Alice seems to have been born in Cheadle in about 1852 - then I get stuck can't find their marriage, can't find her birth, any help would be greatly appreciated. The first child was born in about 1874 so I guess the marriage should be around then sometime.

Chris

The marriage should be on freebmd.........

The birth may not be registered.not compulsory until 1875

Reg

1901 is this the right family?

Name: Albert Pope
Age: 6 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Hanley
Ecclesiastical parish: Northwood Holy Trinity
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stoke upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 173
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Pope 6 months
Alice Pope 49
Alice Pope 8
Arthur Pope 15
Ernest Pope 10
Ethel Pope 8
Gertrude Pope 12
Thomas Pope 50

1891 is this the same family?

Name: Gertrude Pope
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: Hanley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Northwood
Town: Hanley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stoke Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Hanley
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Pope 57 Cheadle
Anna Maria Pope 14
Arthur Pope 5
Ernest Pope 2/12
Gertrude Pope 2
Jesse Pope 7
Kate Pope 9
Louisa Pope 12
Thomas Pope 58
William Henry Pope 17

Bit of a difference in age for Alice

Could be 37 on image

Yes that's the right family, can't find a marriage for Thomas and Alice anywhere

The eldest two children seems to have been born in Manchester, have you checked www.lancashirebmd.org.uk?

Sam x

Does the birth cert refer to the mother as Alice Billings? Or as Alice Pope, formerly Billings?

I have a Alice Billings in my tree born 1911. Any connection?
Mine is from London

Hi Reg,

She is Alice Pope formerly Billings

Chris

Hi Debbie

Don't think so but anything is possible! I think she was born in about 1855, in the Cheadle area according to the census

Chris

1881 for ref: first child in Hulme:

Alice Pope Thomas abt 1855 Cheadle, Staffordshire, England Wife Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire

Hannah Pope Thomas, Alice abt 1877 Salford, Lancashire, England Daughter Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire

Louisa Pope Thomas, Alice abt 1879 Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire, England Daughter Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire

Thomas Pope Alice abt 1852 Stoke On Trent, Staffordshire, England Head Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire

William Pope Thomas, Alice abt 1875 Hulme, Lancashire, England Son Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire

Have you found a birth reg for Thomas? Wonder whether he was officially ____ Thomas Pope?

1861 I presume you have had a look at this one

Name: Alice Billings
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingsley, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Kingsley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Cheadle
Sub-registration district: Ipstones
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Billings 6
Hannah Billings 84
Lewis Billings 32
Mary Billings 53
William Billings 8
Mary Warrilow 9

There is this little girl in 1861:

(um yes, as Glitter Baby has already said!)

I have followed this family from 1861 (with Lewis Billings) forward and back through the census but cannot find a reference to the mother of Alice (she is shown as a niece here) or anything to tie them to the Pope family

I've just looked up Kingsley.

I looked for anyone born around 1847-1851 there to see what the reg district might be. Samuel Adams (name picked at random) was still living there - registration district Cheadle and sub-dist Alton (the Alton Towers area).

I also looked for it on Multimap - and found three. One is east of Stoke on Trent, just north of Cheadle and just east of Hulme - sounds like plenty of opportunity to confuse towns! Multimap has Cheadle in Staffs at postcodes ST10 and Cheadle in Cheshire (Manchester outskirts) at SK8.

Hi Ivy,
Many thanks for searching for me. I thought when I found the name on the birth certificate it would be easy to follow the line back. How wrong can you be? LOL
Chris