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I am also trying a different tack to link up with the Bennet's

Do you remember the witnesses on the marriage cert - Daniel Tenison + Eliza.(nee Gill)

Well, - I believe Eliza's parents were William Gill + Eliza Bennett - married 23 April 1848 at St. Pancras.

This would seem to be confirmed by William + Eliza both 32 + family in Islington on 1861.

They have with them sister in law Sarah Bennett.

However, once again, I cannot follow them backwards for certain as they all seem to go missing !

See what you can find - I will keep looking.

Dea x

My thoughts exactly Ivy but I can't find anything to prove it.

Matilda was certainly registered as a Bennet in 1847 and Joseph married Ellen Ray in April 1841 so we should find them on 1841 census also ?

This is all quite baffling!

Dea x

P.S. - If you wan't something to further astonish you just be thankful this one is not the one we need:

From 1851 census:

Name: Joseph Bennett
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane W
Gender: Male
Where born: Predsle Dock, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Bennett 22
Jane C Bennett 2
Jane E Bennett 17
Jane E Bennett 6
Jane F Bennett 19
Jane J Bennett 9
Jane M Bennett 10
Jane W Bennett 41
Joseph Bennett 70
Joseph C Bennett 13
Joseph W Bennett 4


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1549; Folio: 122; Page: 14; GSU roll: 174779.

Dea x

P.S. - Of course, we might later find he is related ...tee hee !

Dea x

Hi All,

I can find Joseph and (h)el(l)en with their children in 1861 and 1871. There are also older children Ellen and Matilda with them in 1861.

I can see that there is a marriage of Joseph to Ellen Ray in the 1840s, but I can't find the family in 1851 to establish where to look for Joseph's birth/baptism. Although he later stated Whitechapel, that is perhaps just where he was living at the age of 12 in 1861. In 1861 he and John (b abt 1851) are said to have been born in Spitalfields, unlike the later siblings.

Is it possible that Ellen is a second wife?

Dea

Marylebone to Whitechapel is about 10 miles.

Sylvia

On the 1881 census I can see that Joseph Bennett has a brother called Richard age 22.

I have found a birth index for.....

Richard George Bennett
Stepney Q Sep 1860
1c 479

and was wondering whether to order that. At least it might prove that their parents are Richard & Helen Bennett and give me the mothers surname.

Any thoughts

Sylvia

Oh I am getting a headache...

Sylvia

bit of a long shot?

Births Dec 1849

BENNETT Joseph Greenwich 5 221

1881 just for reference

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Joseph C. BENNET Head M Male 31 Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Cabdriver
Eliza BENNET Wife M Female 31 Mile End, Middlesex, England Tailoress
Eliza BENNET Daur Female 5 St George E, Middlesex, England Scholar
Mary A. BENNET Daur Female 3 St George E, Middlesex, England
Jane BENNET Daur Female 1 Mile End, Middlesex, England
Richard BENNET Brother Male 22 Mile End, Middlesex, England Carman


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Source Information:
Dwelling 19 Cornwall St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341100
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0457 / 35
Page Number 21

Hi Dea and Sylvia

I too struggled to get info from the watermen and lightermen site, but I happened on this site:

http://www.parishregister.com/newsletters/0207b.html

and

http://www.parishregister.com/searchpage.asp

- I'm not sure whether this is the one that Jill was recommending or not, but it does mention lightermen.

If you search for Bennetts (see second webaddress above) in those parishes that cover the right decade, there are results, produced like this:

Mile End 1841 to 1884
Charles Bennett, Charlotte Elizabeth Bennett, Eliza Bennett, James Bennett, John Bennett, Jonathan George Sescious Bennett, Mary Ann Bennett, Sarah Jane Bennett, William Bennett

1842 to 1865 Whitechapel St Mary
Albert Edmund Robert Bennett, Eliza Bennett, Ellen Bennett, Ellen Martha Bennett, Ellen Sarah Bennett, Emma Elizabeth Bennett, Harriet Ann Bennett, Jane Bennett, John Bennett, Matilda Bennett, Robert Edward Bennett, Rosina Bennett, Sarah Ann Bennett, Sarah Esther Bennett, Sarah Jane Bennett, Thomas Bennett, Thomas Henry Bennett, Walter George Bennett, William James Bennett
(NB Did Jill say this parish is on the IGI? I see that a Matilda is included in this list)

1840 to 1876 St Thomas Stepney
Alfred Edwin Bennett, Caroline Elizabeth Bennett, Charles Simpson Bennett, Edward James Bennett, Elizabeth Bennett, Emily Bennett, George John Bennett, Henry Bennett, John James Bennett, Kate Marianne Bennett, Louisa Bennett, Margaret Eleanor Bennett, Richard William Bennett, Sarah Ann Bennett, Susannah Bennett, William Bennett, William Elvis Bennett, William James Bennett

They are then pay to view for the detailed entries (or, presumably, a trip to LMA?)

I can't find Joseph's birth registration either. Could it be registered late? There is a Joseph Charles birth registered in the Bethnal Green reg dist in Sept 1854 (1c 309).

The only one I could find was Dec 1848 in Marylebone but I couldn't relate this to any of his siblings and I don't know how far away Marylebone is from Whitechapel?

Will let you know what I find

Dea x

Hi Dea

Sorry I thought this one was going to be easier. I had a look on the free BMD - lots of Joseph Bennetts but none born in or around Whitechapel.

Sylvia

DO YOU KNOW ???? - I think we are probably related !!!

I have been looking for your Joseph all afternoon and he is SSSooo hard to trace - He MUST be one of mine!!

I get SO far and then no further !

Will be back when I find him!


Dea x

I would just like to say a BIG BIG THANK YOU to everybody especially Dea & Ivy for all your help. I have come to the conclusion that some people are not meant to be found and one of them is Eliza. I think that before she got married she may have used a different name and possible where she came from! I thought being that the surname “Royce” was not a common name it would be easy to find. Never mind it is now time to move on.

I will now concentrate on her husband line as I have a few clues on another thread to follow.

May I ask one more thing from anyone could they have a look up for me on the birth index of Eliza husband……..

Joseph Charles Bennett
c1849
Whitechapel or Spitalfields (London)

Father’s Name Joseph Bennett
Mothers Name possible Helen or Ellen

Many many thanks again.

Sylvia
x

Jill in the East Kent,

I had already tried the 'watermen + lightermen site' but I can never seem to bring up many results.

Maybe I am not using it properly?

Dea x

No I'm not,

I can't get you any further - my 'shine' has dimmed !

It won't beat me though ! (Well, it might !!)

Dea x

Thanks Dea you're a real gem.

Sylvia

I am TOTALLY beffuddled !!

Will keep at it though ! (Give the dog a bone eh??)

Dea x

Ivy

Just thinking on your line of thought could it be possible that they had a child name Charles who died at Birth? Looking at the BMD there are a few Charles Bennett's born between 1876 and before Joseph was born in 1888 who died as infants.

Sylvia

Have you checked out that watermen and lightermen site. You might find her baptism on there - even if there is no birth reg.

If she was baptised at St Mary Whitechapel - do check out IGI. St Mary Whitechapel was bombed in WW2 and the IGI seems to contain quite a lot of their records - not far how late they go but I know they go well beyond 1837.

Jill

I had a brief look at the children's names earlier. Joseph and Eliza only had two sons - the first was Joseph and the second (after seven other children) was George. Although Joseph Bennett's parents Joseph and (H)ellen had several boys (Joseph, John, Thomas, Richard), none of these seem to have been named George - so perhaps a name to look out for? On the other hand, you would expect them to use Charles, since this is Joseph's middle name and Eliza's father's name.

The eldest girl was named Eliza; then Mary Ann, Jane, Matilda and Kate - and the youngest is Susan. Jane, Matilda and Catherine are names of Joseph's sisters - does the Mary Ann come from Eliza's side of the family?

Hi Dea,

Another possibility for the Eliza Roy*e registration in Dec 1851 could be Joseph and Caroline Royffe's child shown on the 1861 census as Clara. The enumerator's handwriting on the schedule is clear; but I wonder whether his rough notes were as clear? I cannot find any trace of Clara Roy* from the East End in Ancestry. [Edited having re-read your point on Mary Eliz* !]