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Hi Gala,

You say you have some details from RG11 - that is the 1881 census. Could you post the details on here?

Hi Gala, Glen,

No new info - just pulled together where the thread has got to so far:

MARIA RAMSBOTTOM (nee FICK)
Per 1891 census age 26 born in St.Georges,Shropshire – i.e. 1865
1891 census ref Class: RG12; Piece: 3406; Folio 16; Page 26
bet 1891 and 1901 on Isle of Man (see children’s births)
1901 census (RG13) lodging in Blackburn, but had been on IoM
1901 census ref: Class: RG13; Piece: 3906; Folio: 150; Page: 11
Per 1901 census age 39 born in Blackburn, Lancashire– i.e.1862
Per Sarah’s birth certificate, maiden name Fick
“…must have died around 1926”

Husband:

HENRY RAMSBOTTOM from Blackburn
m Jun 1888 Blackburn (Lancs RO/GRO have wife’s name as LEEK?)
“…born in Brinscall ,Lancs 1864”
Per 1891 census age 27
Per Sarah’s birth cert, cabinet maker

Children:

James (1 in1891, 11 in 1901) b Blackburn
Joseph (4m in 1891, 10 in 1901) b Blackburn
Henry (8 in 1901) b Isle of Man
Sarah (5 in 1901) b Isle of Man – birth certificate obtained

I ken what you mean, not a million miles from where you are.

Glen

Glen , Ok , no bother ( as in Scottish ) for no probs at all
Gala

The easy answer is to take all the information from certificates, starting with your own and work backwards one generation at a time, unfortunately it isn't as easy as that in practice.

I have read through the thread a couple of times, am i right in saying that Sarah is the daughter of Maria?

Can you post the details for her birth (date, names of parents etc) that you have?

I have to nip and fetch my other half back for lunch but will be back in around an hour.

Glen

Glen,
I agree with you and I am totally at lost .
I am actually new on this site and have problem following the details of everything.
I'm not well educated .
Have you any idea how I could find Maria's birth date and birth place ?
I will be most grateful of your help .
I hope you can follow this .
Gala

Not wanting to be picky here but the info on a census return doesn't prove where and when anyone was born. All it does is show what the enumerator recorded (and that may be different to what was actually said).

Seeing as there doesn't appear to be an entry for for Maria with the right maiden name born in Shropshire in the 1871 i would be looking further afield for the birthplace and consider other entries too.

I just think you are on shaky ground assuming the 1901 details as being correct and might be risking some wasted effort and expense at a later date.

Glen

Maria was born in St.Georges , Shropshire

I have a file on about her , If you are a member of the family tree ...Look up 1901 census ,Maria Ramsbottom born 1865 , you will get the result . Maria happened to be my great grandmother

How do you know for certain that Maria was born in Shropshire in 1865?

Glen

Glen.
Maria Fick was born in Shropshire 1865 and married Henry Ramsbottom of Blackburn, They had 4 children : James & Joseph were born in Blackburn , Harry & Sarah were born in Peel , Isle of Man,
I have got files of all of them except MARIA ,
Gala

In the census return i posted William Vick is head of house, Maria is wife and Charles Garrett is recorded as father in law.

The marriage if William to Maria is on the IGI

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download

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WILLIAM VICK Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA GARRETT Family
Marriage: 15 SEP 1881 Kirk German, Isle Of Man, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M038151 1673 - 1757 0106722 Film 6909399 Film

M038151 1757 - 1849 0106724 Film NONE

M038151 1849 - 1883 0106177 Film NONE

Glen

Hi Glen,
Sorry , it is not the same family .
Maria married a Henry Ramsbottom and had 3 boys and 1 girl .
I have a strong feeling that Maria may have come from German parents.

Hi Lou,
I already have that file and her ( Sarah ) birth certificate ,
I cannae find Maria's birth-marriage- death anywhere on all trees. :-(

Gala

Someone has been watching this thread but can't reply (lapsed member), they have asked me to add this information to the thread;

1901 Isle of Man Census
about Maria Vick
Name: Maria Vick
[Maria Garrett]
Age in 1901: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Household: View other family members
Spouse's Name: William
Father's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: German, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Civil Parish: Patrick
Ecclesiastical parish: Patrick
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Isle of Man
Sub-registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Garrett 79
Maggie Anna Vick 13
Maria Vick 41
Mary Mildred Vick 11
Robert Herbert Vick 17
Sarah Eleanor Vick 9
William Vick 56
William Alma Vick 5


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 5306; Folio: 132; Page: 11.

Glen

Hi,

I found this record on the IGI.

Lou

Sarah Ramsbottom Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 14 AUG 1895 Peel, Isle Of Man, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: Henry Ramsbottom Family
Mother: Maria Fick Ramsbottom


Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Hi Selena ,
you have been a great help . Thank you so much .
why" Leak " ?

I strongly recommend that you get the marriage certificate of Henry Ramsbottom to Maria Leak. It will cost seven pounds online from the GRO, much cheaper then asking Shropshire Records office to do a search. It will also confirm Henry on 1881 with father James is the correct one.

I think that most census's begin with RG11 reference number.

I would be interested in the outcome if you can add it to the thread.

Good luck, I hope its the right family,

Selena

Selena,
I have only just noticed that my gr uncle James is called after his grandfather .

Gala

Selena,
Ah ! You've found it , Oh thank you so much .

What is the:
Public Records Office Reference RG11 ????

As I have a lots of files of the same number RG11