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can anyone tell me why i can only find my gg grandfather on the 1851 cenus and my g grandmother on the 1871 census

If you post the info someone will try to find out for you but they have probably been mistranscribed.

if you post their names dates of birth and places someone will have a look for you

If you are certain that neither of them died, re-married or emigrated then they will have been mistranscribed.

Post some names/dates and places of birth.

Sam x

you might be putting in too much information!

The place of birth often changes from census to census, so it is often better just to use the county

the year of birth can change, so always use +/- 5 years (or even +/- 10)

the name can be mispelled ... use the wild card *, eg, instead of Edward Johannsen put in Edw* Joh* ....... it might have been mis-spelled Edwin Johnnsen

name may have been mis-transcribed ......... see for mis-spelling

he/she may be using their middle name instead of their first name. Try using just the surname, birth year +/-5, county of birth



There are all kinds of reasons.


You have to think outside the box!



Put up some information, we'll all see what we can find ........ and then tell you how we found what we did! Then you will know for the future.



sylvia

Try searching on any other family members listed on the returns.

Ancestry can't find the 1851 return for my g g g grandfather. Search on his wife's name and the record is there at no 1, with g g g granddad, name correctly transcribed, as head of the household.

Hit the same, with the same solution, for my wife's g g grandfather in 1871.

Real Weird.

hi every one in the 1851 census it said thomas leatherland was born 1810 barrow leicestershire it say hes a widower he has 2 sons with him thomas 1837 and joesph 1843 on the 1851 census he is in nottingham at it looks like brougham street

Can I rephrase?
Looking for this family in 1861

1871 England Census
about Thomas Leatherland
Name: Thomas Leatherland
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Leatherland 10
Arthur Leatherland 1
Sarah A Leatherland 30
Thomas Leatherland 34
Thomas Leatherland 12

hi Andrew and Jim,

There are 5 Thomas Leath*nd in 1851 (b Lancs/Leic/Lincs and two in Nott between 1805 and 1815). The two in Nottinghamshire are tricky to separate. One may have died Dec 1851; but is the one you are searching a lodger in the Rose household in 1871 (and therefore not dead by 1861??)

hi all if my thomas leatherland had died dec 1851 do you know where i could look for his children

Hi Andrew,

What resources do you have? As Jim says, tracking backwards from the 1871 is the most likely to yield results for Thomas. Have you found Joseph on any later census returns?

1851 Census . for reference purposes


Name: Thomas Leatherland
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Ann
ED, institution, or vessel: 5d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Battesbay 23 Lodger
Ann Bennett 25 Lodger
Ann M Bennett 4 Lodger
Joseph Leatherland 5 b.ca 1843, Nottingham, Scholar
Thomas Leatherland 41 b.ca 1810, Barrow, Leicestershire, Head, Widower, Street Pavers Labourer
Thomas Leatherland 14 Pipe Clay Seller

Address:- 7 Brougham Street, St Ann, Nottingham


sylvia

Is this Thomas' marriage to Sarah


Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%)


LEATHERLAND Thomas Nottingham 7b 247
LINEKER Sarah Ann Nottingham 7b 247
RICHARDS Sarah Ann Nottingham 7b 247





but to which one???????



sylvia

well well well


I looked up Sara* Linek*

and came up with this one for 1861:-

1861 Census

Name: Sarah A Linekes
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Sneinton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Carey 62 Head, Widower
Thomas L Leatherland 1 b.ca 1860, Sneinton, Nottinghamshire
Sarah A Linekes 22 House Keeper
Margaret Spanley 28 Lodger, Silk Winder

Address:- 31 Earl Street, St Mary

It doesn't give Thomas' relationship to the Head of the hosuehold ... but he is listed directly under Sarah A Linekes (and that could be Lineker or Linekes on image)


sylvia

and that last census with Sarah and baby Thomas makes me wonder about this one that I have looked at a couple of times

No proof of course, unless you can find the name of your Thomas' mother!


1861 Census

Name: Thomas Leatherland
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sneinton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Nottingham
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members: Name Age
John Fowkes 21 Grandson
Herbert Hall 17 Boarder
Thomas Leatherland 22 Labourer
Ann Mitchel 11 Granddaughter
Benjamin Mitchel 5 Grandson
Charlotte Mitchel 12 Graddaughter
Mary Mitchel 20 Granddaughter
Benjamin Mitchell 39 Son-in-law
Elizabeth Mitchell 39 Daughter
Mary Noble 18 Boarder
Charlotte Rogers 77 b.ca 1784, Sheffield, Yorkshire, Head, Widow, Chevannier Lace

Address:- 35 Brougham Street



sylvia

Here is Joseph's birth registration


if you buy this, you will find out his mother's maiden name

Births Dec 1844 (>99%)

LEATHERLAND Joseph Nottingham 15 530



sylvia

- is Sarah A the g-grandmother only seen on the 1871 census? If so, then Sylvia may well have found her in 1861, and in 1851 at the same address is:

Name: Sarah Ann Lincken
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Sneinton, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham St Mary
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Household schedule number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Carey 47 wife
Richard Carey 51 head
Sarah Ann Lincken 11 niece
Eliza Needham 4 d of lodger
Ellen Needham 28 lodger
Matilda Needham 7 d of lodger
Thomas Needham 9 s of lodger

(There are less than 20 Sar* Lin*k* individuals listed for the England census with a birth year between 1834 and 1844)

Actually, since Sneinton is in the Radford registration district, it might be worth picking up Lin*g* references as well.

hi everyone thank you so much for your help you have been a great help you have all helped so much thomas did marry sarah ann lineker and i cant find a joesph after 1851 i dont know weather he died move away or what thanks once again andy

Using the soundex system on Ancestry on Joseph's surname and requiring some connection with Nottinghamshire reduces the possibilities to less than 10 individuals on each census in England. Joseph disappears from view for 1861 on this search, but might be this individual from the 1871 census?

Name: Joseph Latherland
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England (the image says Nottingham)

Civil Parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Household schedule number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Latherland 27 Labourer (mason)
Mary A Latherland 36 wife b Durham Gateshead